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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by oblio »

tosseraccount wrote: post #144
deanCommie wrote: post #111

And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…

A different take ... from 1899 ... "Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christ…

I don't think Churchill is the best benchmark for such matters:

"starvation of anyhow underfed Bengalis is less serious than that of sturdy Greeks"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943#Suppli...

And definitely not a benchmark for the 21st century.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by NoCulturalFit »

Right... Well while you live in that Utopia of yours, large groups of Sunni fanatics are currently commuting genocide against non Sunni. How much % of Muslims should think killing apostates is okay until you deem it incompatible with France liberal policies. It's because of dhimmis like you that Le Pen is winning. Wake up and smell your ashes.

Edit: someone really needs to look up what Dhimmi means before they actually prove me right. How quickly someone can fall in ones eye. Never saw that coming lol. Full on Dhimmi.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by rtz12 »

oblio wrote: post #248
rtz12 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrorist attacks of this scale? Care to elaborate? I may have missed something here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

Well, I was thinking a little bit more recently.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by yodsanklai »

elros wrote: post #209

I am French and have friends and family in Paris, fortunately they are all safe. I am however in shock and can't really process much except for shedding tears. I feel the strong need to point out that in these difficult times in Europe and the world, we CANNOT allow right-wing political extremism to use them to gather power. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MUSLIMS, IMMIGRANTS OR WHATNOT. THIS IS ABOUT CRAZY PEOPLE.

Crazy people that happen to be muslim extremists.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by yourepowerless »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #179
yourepowerless wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the western powers which have killed millions of Muslims this last decade?

Western powers? Not so much. "Al-Qaida Kills Eight Times More Muslims Than Non-Muslims" http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/surprising-study-o... "ISIS’s Gruesome Muslim Death Toll: The group’s killing of Westerners gets attention. But ISIS has killed far more Muslims, and publicizing that fact would harm it more." http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-grue... "Well, if spilling Muslim blood i…

Millions have died throughout the Middle East, millions have become refugees, millions have sufferred from the economic consequences all of which is the directly because of Americans needed to avenge the death of 3000 new yorkers.

The Western world lost all moral superiority when they decided torture and genocide were acceptable acta to commit.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by yourepowerless »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #179
yourepowerless wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the western powers which have killed millions of Muslims this last decade?

Western powers? Not so much. "Al-Qaida Kills Eight Times More Muslims Than Non-Muslims" http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/surprising-study-o... "ISIS’s Gruesome Muslim Death Toll: The group’s killing of Westerners gets attention. But ISIS has killed far more Muslims, and publicizing that fact would harm it more." http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-grue... "Well, if spilling Muslim blood i…

Millions have died throughout the Middle East, millions have become refugees, millions have sufferred from the economic consequences all of which is the directly because of Americans needed to avenge the death of 3000 new yorkers.

The Western world lost all moral superiority when they decided torture and genocide were acceptable acta to commit.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by fragsworth »

rayiner wrote: post #125

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

Wait, so you're disappointed that people are downplaying the situation because they're defeating the purpose of terrorism?

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by ajkjk »

Sven7 wrote: post #97

I'd like to see a ban on live threads, when these things happen. Beyond reporting emergency contact info they serve no purpose other than encouraging the next attack.

You legitimately can't imagine any other purpose to them?

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by obituary_latte »

jacquesm wrote: post #260
tallerholler wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes. the damage goes way beyond the death toll. it will be interesting to see how (if) this impacts current policies towards the middle east/syria/isis, personal freedoms/surveillance laws etc. maybe it will also have a side-effect of uniting people and countries against a common threat to all humanity.

> maybe it will also have a side-effect of uniting people and countries against a common threat to all humanity. I don't think that will happen. Remember "Je suis Charlie"? How long did that sentiment last? It's a matter of time before people will be writing 'Je suis Francais', and then promptly forget it a few days or weeks later.

What a shitty outlook.

Even worse is that I agree.

Can we do anything to change it?

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by deanCommie »

aikah wrote: post #135
deanCommie wrote: post #111

And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…

> If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. @deanCommie Please, stop with the excuses , nobody marginalized anybody. The terrorists are not victims , the islamists are not…

I'm not excusing the terrorists. I'm trying to keep in check the people who are commenting on this and just saying "well yeah, this is what happens when you have 10% muslims in your country".

I'm not defending the terrorists. I'm defending people like your family who will be lumped in with them in the next couple of weeks as people blame all of this on immigration and islam, like they do every time.

The fact is, we are living in an age of muslim extremism and sympathies are at an all time high. We could look at it at that fact and blame 1.57 billion people for all sharing this radical ideology, or we could look at what other forces are nudging a small section of those people to radicalize. And avoid denial.

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