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Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by rufugee »

hobarrera wrote: post #234
kevinr wrote: post #149

We've been using Zulip internally for a couple of years now. We've used IRC and Jabber, looked at Slack and Hipchat and Skype and Lync, and somehow keep coming back to Zulip. It lets us have real, ongoing, and substantive conversations, with a large number of participants, without being overwhelmed. I sometimes feel like Twitter is actually a better comparison for Zulip than Slack---in Zulip like on Twitter, it's eas…

There's something that quite surprised me: being a software company: how is it that you've never gotten around to a Linux client? Do most of you use the web-version, or is dropbox mostly windows-centric (sorry, I'm quite ignorant about dropbox team's culture. :D )

From what I see, zulip-desktop appears to have Linux support...

https://github.com/zulip/zulip-desktop

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by eli »

new299 wrote: post #254
kevinr wrote: post #149

We've been using Zulip internally for a couple of years now. We've used IRC and Jabber, looked at Slack and Hipchat and Skype and Lync, and somehow keep coming back to Zulip. It lets us have real, ongoing, and substantive conversations, with a large number of participants, without being overwhelmed. I sometimes feel like Twitter is actually a better comparison for Zulip than Slack---in Zulip like on Twitter, it's eas…

I'm sure it's a great communications tool, however since Rice joined Dropbox's board ( http://www.drop-dropbox.com/ ) I'd have severe concerns using anything released by Dropbox. Even if it's open source. And while I apologize for a tangential comment, people should be aware of the politics promoted by their software vendors. Hopefully if it's a truly valuable tool it will be forked and audited.

But your complaints have nothing to do with the codebase. How would a fork help? If I fork it and change nothing but the name does it become palatable to you?

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by gglanzani »

pjtr wrote: post #218

What do Zulip / Slack / Hipchat / IRC / ... people do for screensharing and (group) voice calls? We'd love the chat improvements, but without screensharing and voice we're stuck on Skype. :(

Hipchat does screensharing and voice/video (although not yet group).

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by sytse »

chetanahuja wrote: post #209
sytse wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! If I read https://www.recurse.com/blog/90-zulip-supporting-oss-at-the-... correctly Dropbox has helped to open source it but will not dedicate engineers to it. In that case it is interesting that you'll have to sign a Dropbox CLA to contribute https://github.com/zulip/zulip#contributing-to-zulip . But even with that, the code is under Apache 2, it is great that Dropbox took the time to properly document every…

Sytse, we use gitlab enterprise edition at packetzoom (Our VP eng is a major gitlab contributor). We'd love nothing more than have a proper chat system with good native clients. Slack has excellent UX and mostly decent native clients but the pricing and/or holding our chat logs hostage has always bugged me. Please consider integrating zulip. Though even without gitlab integration, we'll still try it out anyway.

Thanks for using and contributing to GitLab!

Although Zulip is far ahead of other open source solutions we are leaning towards Rocket Chat. Javascript and Meteor are the most popular language and framework so it would be easier to contribute. It is not who is ahead now but about speed of development.

Zulip is very heavy, they recommend 4GB for a production installation. This is due to the 15 workers that are not multi-threaded (GitLab has multi-threaded background workers).

We're proud that people can run GitLab on a Raspberry Pi 2. Forcing people installing the whole GitLab suite (GitLab itself and chat) to have a 8GB server is not acceptable. We're still hoping for multi-threaded unicorn foreground processes in GitLab so we can run it on 512MB.

By the way, Rocket Chat has 'native' clients on Android and IOS, although I think they use webview inside them.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by tabbott »

iyn wrote: post #268
chetanahuja wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sytse, we use gitlab enterprise edition at packetzoom (Our VP eng is a major gitlab contributor). We'd love nothing more than have a proper chat system with good native clients. Slack has excellent UX and mostly decent native clients but the pricing and/or holding our chat logs hostage has always bugged me. Please consider integrating zulip. Though even without gitlab integration, we'll still try it out anyway.

I'd also like to see integration between Zupip and GitLab.

https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/33

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by tabbott »

tabbott wrote: post #165
mrmondo wrote: post #160

Good to see it be open sourced. I'm disappointed there's no XMPP gateway, OTR chat encryption or Gitlab integration however.

There's a Git integration that you can use with GitLab or anything else that supports post-receive hooks. But it would be cool if someone contributed a more slick GitLab integration :) Also there is a beta XMPP gateway at bots/jabber_mirror.py that can mirror traffic with an XMPP setup. It's beta because it's kinda annoying to setup; feel free to reach out on the development list for help if you have issues setting i…

https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/33 is open for adding a slick GitLab integration

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by tabbott »

mrmondo wrote: post #212
tabbott wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a Git integration that you can use with GitLab or anything else that supports post-receive hooks. But it would be cool if someone contributed a more slick GitLab integration :) Also there is a beta XMPP gateway at bots/jabber_mirror.py that can mirror traffic with an XMPP setup. It's beta because it's kinda annoying to setup; feel free to reach out on the development list for help if you have issues setting i…

Ah good to know - thanks for the info. I just spotted this though: "Currently, the automated Zulip server installation process only supports Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty" Not at all keen to run Ubuntu, if it was available on CentOS 7 or Debian I'd give it a go but I guess I'll hold off for now.

Yeah we run Debian Wheezy in production, so it's definitely possible, just I don't have a nice automated install process handy -- there's a thread about it here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/zulip-devel/8iz25Ad-...

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by tabbott »

sytse wrote: post #284
chetanahuja wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sytse, we use gitlab enterprise edition at packetzoom (Our VP eng is a major gitlab contributor). We'd love nothing more than have a proper chat system with good native clients. Slack has excellent UX and mostly decent native clients but the pricing and/or holding our chat logs hostage has always bugged me. Please consider integrating zulip. Though even without gitlab integration, we'll still try it out anyway.

Thanks for using and contributing to GitLab! Although Zulip is far ahead of other open source solutions we are leaning towards Rocket Chat. Javascript and Meteor are the most popular language and framework so it would be easier to contribute. It is not who is ahead now but about speed of development. Zulip is very heavy, they recommend 4GB for a production installation. This is due to the 15 workers that are not mult…

Posting this in a few places since it came up N times on this thread: I opened https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/34 to track optimizing the server-side memory consumption. :)

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by tabbott »

krig wrote: post #131

"You can install a Zulip server on a system with 2G of RAM, but for production use we recommend a system with 4GB of RAM or more." Something has gone horribly wrong when a chat server can barely run on 2G. edit: As a frame of reference, here's what Inspire IRCd needs: > A network with 3000-4000 locally connected clients and 10000 open channels experiences a constant 1-4% CPU use with 70MB of RAM use. This won't go up…

Posting this in a few places since it came up N times on this thread: I opened https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/34 to track optimizing the server-side memory consumption. :)

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by tabbott »

bachmeier wrote: post #44

Looks wonderful, but am I the only one that thinks the recommended 4 GB server is a lot?

Posting this in a few places since it came up N times on this thread: I opened https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/34 to track optimizing the server-side memory consumption. :)
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