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Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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All parties involved can be at fault. And lots of people will think that privacy, while very important, is not quite at the same level as marital fidelity. It's like hearing that a vicious murderous mob boss had his leg shot off. Yes, the person who took his leg ought to be sent to jail, but we might not have much sympathy for the mob boss since his terrible actions led directly to those consequences.

Except that shooting someone is generally illegal, whereas having an affair is not. Allocate your sympathy as you wish, but don't pretend that a person deserves to be the victim of a crime because you or anyone else find their behavior distasteful.

Having an affair actually is illegal in almost half the US, and in some states, it's even a felony.

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As much as I admire and respect the United States and its people, I can't be but amazed by the reactions to sex stories. I have the impression that you can get away with anything, except sex. You can get away with incompetence, dilapidating tax payers' money, corruption, invasion of privacy, aggression on sovereign countries, authorizing torture, brutality, injustice. Big deal. Few care, and if they do, there are no…

It's a little more subtle than "getting away with sex" A lot of people in the US proclaim some sort of moral purity and or authority. Others, do not. This breaks down roughly along party lines, with one party running on moral purity and or authority and the other running on a more general concept of social justice and equality. And that's just for visualizing how it works. There are strong purity factions everywhere.…

>In the end, he was not impeached...

Er, yes he was? He wasn't removed from office.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Most private investigators make all their money gathering evidence on worker's comp fraudsters for big insurance companies. My dad's been a licensed PI for over 25 years now and domestic cases are few and far between (maybe 1-2 per year) because Mrs Smith pissed off about her cheating husband doesn't have the cash that Bigco Insurance does and PIs charge by the hour. The insurance company has the cost of hiring a PI…

As to the sidenote, it must suck for the people who have periodic pain bad enough for them to be unable to hold a manual labor job but who can still have bouts of living a normal life. Either they have to forgo the moments of freedom they receive or risk losing any disability.

Eh, it's not longterm disability cases that the insurance companies hire PIs on. Hiring a PI is expensive. The insurance companies don't do it until they are already positive the person is defrauding them. The percentage of cases my dad's worked where the claimant was not very obviously faking is vanishingly small. Like less than 0.5%.

By the time the PI is involved, the insurance company is already ready to sue, they just want extra evidence to solidify their case. They're nearly all acute injury cases - "I slipped and fell at work, and now my back's out and I can't work for six months" and they hobble their way into the doctor's office leaning on a cane when less than an hour ago they were doing heavy yard work (or jumping on said trampoline!) with no difficulty.

Believe me, I have sympathy for people with chronic pain/invisible illnesses. I have fibromyalgia, my mom has myasthenia gravis. We are not the kind of people that wind up with PIs following them around with a camera.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Your style of marriage, your religion and what drugs you take are all victimless crimes. Cheating on your spouse definitely has a victim which is why it's much more of an issue than the others you've listed. Most liberals are not anti state, but pro freedom as long as it doesn't affect anyone else's life.

Style of marriage, religion, drugs and cheating all do affect other people's life, even harm, to varying degrees and definitions. There is no freedom that doesn't affect anyone else's life.

Right, up to and including eating a slice of cheesecake, which is why your definition is useless. What we're discussing here is things that are harmful to others _per se_. Theft, violating agreements (like cheating), etc are obviously examples of this. Religion, drug use, open marriages are obviously not.

The distinction here is kot

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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post #245

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Except that shooting someone is generally illegal, whereas having an affair is not. Allocate your sympathy as you wish, but don't pretend that a person deserves to be the victim of a crime because you or anyone else find their behavior distasteful.

To cheat, to break your word given to a life partner, is not just distasteful. It is wrong. It makes the world a darker place, and not only to you and your partner (and that is what wrong means) I know this kind of statement is viewed with distrust. And I see why this is so. But I think some moral discussion might be good (rather than just the bland 'lets not judge') First, I am not saying that I think all marriages…

The time, place, and manner of sex or other activity that occurs between two consenting adults is none of my business whatsoever unless one of those people is my spouse. When one of those people is my spouse and the other is not me, then my problem is with my spouse, not with any website or other instrument used to facilitate the infidelity. What meaning would an agreement such as marriage have if cheating were literally impossible?

>But I think some moral discussion might be good

Let's discuss how we can keep from inflicting our own personal morals on those who do not share our moral philosophies; lest someone show up here and one-up us all with an even better morality than the one we already have.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that shooting someone is generally illegal, whereas having an affair is not. Allocate your sympathy as you wish, but don't pretend that a person deserves to be the victim of a crime because you or anyone else find their behavior distasteful.

Having an affair actually is illegal in almost half the US, and in some states, it's even a felony.

> Having an affair actually is illegal in almost half the US, and in some states, it's even a felony.

Wow! United Saudi Arabia (USA)!

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All parties involved can be at fault. And lots of people will think that privacy, while very important, is not quite at the same level as marital fidelity. It's like hearing that a vicious murderous mob boss had his leg shot off. Yes, the person who took his leg ought to be sent to jail, but we might not have much sympathy for the mob boss since his terrible actions led directly to those consequences.

Except that shooting someone is generally illegal, whereas having an affair is not. Allocate your sympathy as you wish, but don't pretend that a person deserves to be the victim of a crime because you or anyone else find their behavior distasteful.

Adultery is illegal in many bits of the US.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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post #181

https://twitter.com/PreachySnow/ > Do you know what some men do when they find out their wives have been cheating? They beat them. They kill them. They don't just leave. Also, users of Ashley Madison could lose their jobs. You know, their support system that allows them to take care of their kids. Millions of people being revealed for committing adultery isn't anything to rejoice about. This is not the way to handle…

And when that happens, it is the man's fault for reacting violently, or if you're particularly callous, the wife's fault for cheating. The person who reveals the truth is quite a ways down the blame list.

It's certainly the abuser's fault. But if you can avoid the situation by literally doing nothing (not leaking the info) then you might have a moral responsibility if you do it. And a lot of people think leaking would be a good thing, but they generally only think of breakups and don't consider violence.
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