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Re: The Apple Watch

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I'm a die-hard iPhone guy. I love when I meet someone, get their phone number, text them, and the message bubble is blue. I feel like we're in the same club. (Albeit a very large club.) However, I keep my phone in my pocket. Wearing a watch that millions of other people may have feels a bit weird to me. It's like taking that membership of the iPhone "club" and turning it into an external badge signifying membership.…

As opposed to people using their iPhones in public, using MBPs at conferences or wearing Beats headphones or those distinctive white Apple earplugs?

This isn't exactly new. Teenagers were sticking white shoelaces in their ears before the iPhone was even a thing.

Re: The Apple Watch

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> Given his history with the company, I feel like with Gruber we never ever get the real deal. You should try listening to his podcast(s). Just like pre-Functional-High-Ground-Marco, I find Gruber to be a lot more realistic and balanced when he is talking, not writing.

This is the same Marco Arment who just came out and wrote an essay basically saying the iPhone 6/6+ is poorly designed, and he's hoping Apple will stop with the "thinner, thinner, thinner but sucky experience for the user" design process?

Yeah - I used to feel like Arment was in he bag for Apple (and I say this as a hardcore Mac guy, though I use Android phones), but these days I find myself respecting his take a lot more. Gruber...no. He is a very good writer who uses that skill effectively, but he's so far in the bag it's not even funny.

Re: The Apple Watch

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lucky for gruber, Apple has released an awful lot of good products recently. iPhones have stupid customer satisfaction numbers. They aren't the most valuable company in the world by a mile because everything they release is crap. Obviously Gruber is a big fan of Apple, but your criticism of him is a bit harsh. I assume he didn't spend a lot of time comparing it to Android wear because he hasn't spent a ton of time us…

Gruber is terrible. I'm completely unapologetic about my opinion about him. He's everything that's wrong in tech news today. He's been able to carve a niche for himself preaching to a choir of folks with large disposable incomes by providing unashamed regurgitation of Apple's marketing bullet points so that people can reinforce their beliefs by having another bullet point that they made the right technology purchase.…

So, from reading his review you came away with the impression that he thinks it's terrible. He mentioned lots of bad things about it. Yet you hate him for only praising it. That doesn't really follow. Perhaps you should rethink your position.

Re: The Apple Watch

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How does this guy always nail his articles? I think he's the only one I've ever heard of who gets paid so much to write blog articles.

Well this guy is the inventor of Markdown, so he's not only a paid blogger. I always find people like him as inspiration for me.

He wrote the original Markdown. Barely anyone uses the original Markdown. They just use semi-compatible formats (e.g. Github-Flavored Markdown) using software that calls them "Markdown".

There is no spec for Markdown other than his buggy Perl implementation. He also didn't exactly appreciate the fact that other people tried to standardize "his" language.

I'm not even sure Markdown in general can rightfully be called an invention (in the same sense as JSON is not considered such by its "inventor"). It's just one of several plain-text formatting conventions that happened to become popular (though, again, not really his exact implementation).

In fact, because of the limited scope Gruber's original Markdown addressed and the redundancies he implemented (such as the different "bullets" for unordered lists) are biting implementers now that the format is used for other things than originally envisioned (by making extensions difficulty or unintuitive).

Re: The Apple Watch

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He makes money off advertising. Quite a lot of money, but probably not in the top few hundred earning blogs.

What do you think are a few of the top earning blogs? Not the whole hundred, but I'm curious what I'm missing.

I believe that some of the most popular celebrity ones bring in seven figures at least, and some of the get-rich-quick scam ones also do very well. You also have marginal cases like Gawker; is it a blog network, or a media site?

Re: The Apple Watch

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Is John Gruber ever non-biased in his pieces about Apple? Given his history with the company, I feel like with Gruber we never ever get the real deal. Every article on every Apple product announcement starts out feeling well-intentioned and non-objective, but then always seems to segue into a subtle praise piece. I am not hating on him, he still makes some great points and he puts considerable amounts of effort into…

He's definitely a shill. Imagine a couple years ago, when Gruber couldn't even bring himself to pretend to provide critical analysis of Apple products. I used to just flag daringfireball posts as soon as I saw them. These days there's at least information content in his posts so I usually leave them alone. But Gruber also spends an extraordinary amount of time these days using framing devices to either draw false com…

> He's definitely a shill

Do you have evidence of Apple secretly paying Gruber for apparent opinions? Because that's what that word means; it's a form of marketing fraud.

> You'll also notice that he carefully doesn't compare it to all the other smart watches in the growing segment.

The market right now can be divided into two sections; things like the Pebble, and watches-with-apps (Apple Watch, Android Wear). For the latter category, which way you go entirely depends on what sort of phone you have, so a comparison arguably isn't particularly worthwhile.

Re: The Apple Watch

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Totally baffled by your mindset. Why is Gruber terrible and everything wrong with tech news today? Compared to Engadget et al he seems reasonably fair and balanced. Please point me towards something he's written that's objectively biased or bad.

Everything he writes is objectively biased. Have you ever read anything he's ever written? Tech news is already so full of bought promotions pretending to be articles, fan boyism and subjective "analysis" it really doesn't need more. It's already enough of a burden on the reader to try to figure out if a review of some new product is being truthful or was paid for by an ad on page 23, or if the editor has some platfo…

'He drops the not-so-subtle-jab at Google line "They might have actually found a good use for QR codes."' - Huh? What do QR codes have to do with Google? It did go through a brief period of being somewhat keen on them before quietly forgetting about them, but it's not like they invented it or anything.

Re: The Apple Watch

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This is the same Marco Arment who just came out and wrote an essay basically saying the iPhone 6/6+ is poorly designed, and he's hoping Apple will stop with the "thinner, thinner, thinner but sucky experience for the user" design process?

Yeah - I used to feel like Arment was in he bag for Apple (and I say this as a hardcore Mac guy, though I use Android phones), but these days I find myself respecting his take a lot more. Gruber...no. He is a very good writer who uses that skill effectively, but he's so far in the bag it's not even funny.

I think Arment has realized he really has nothing to lose, and everything to gain by just speaking the truth. A number of times he's been hosed by Apple sitting on an patch release for overcast, he's not invited to any events, and doesn't get embargoed gear. As a result, telling the truth improves his braaannnd (read that with a zombie like braiiiinnsss sound), with very little downside.

I wouldn't be surprised if we'll continue to see more honesty from Arment - I think he's realized that it only did Siracusa good. Gruber, who I love his reading, is in a tough position - he has to tow the company line in order to get the invites and gear from Apple, which are somewhat important to DF.

Re: The Apple Watch

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He is wrong in this article: CDs did not suck. Compressed audio sucked, unless you had NIHL and love reduced dynamic range and poor attack transients. I am glad CDs are still around to stop this MP3 slime from washing away all the uncompressed audio!

I thought CDs sucked. Scratched way too easy. Don't let some children borrow your CDs or else they won't play when you get them back. Cassettes were much more durable and even repairable. A CD warped by the sun is garbage, but a cassette warped by the sun can be salvaged if you put the tape in another cassette case. You could also tape two ends of the cassette tape back together if it gets torn or cut. Yes the song i…

CDs only sucked if you didn't look after them! The same was true of vinyls, and your mobile phone. If I drop my phone, it will be damaged.

I never lend my CDs to those people who leave them in the wrong cases, bust the cases, leave CDs floating around drawers with pens, paperclips and scissors, attempt to get sleeve notes out by incessant gnawing at the edges etc. etc.

Cassettes were pretty robust though. They survive handling by the older generation far better than CDs ever did (or will)

Re: The Apple Watch

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He's definitely a shill. Imagine a couple years ago, when Gruber couldn't even bring himself to pretend to provide critical analysis of Apple products. I used to just flag daringfireball posts as soon as I saw them. These days there's at least information content in his posts so I usually leave them alone. But Gruber also spends an extraordinary amount of time these days using framing devices to either draw false com…

> He's definitely a shill Do you have evidence of Apple secretly paying Gruber for apparent opinions? Because that's what that word means; it's a form of marketing fraud. > You'll also notice that he carefully doesn't compare it to all the other smart watches in the growing segment. The market right now can be divided into two sections; things like the Pebble, and watches-with-apps (Apple Watch, Android Wear). For th…

> Because that's what that word means;

No it doesn't.

Shill means "an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others"

Being unable to accept or say negative things about your accomplice and only provide those things about your accomplice's competitors are all the marks of a shill. Gruber exists only to entice and encourage others to want, desire and do all things Apple. His post history is demonstration of this.

It doesn't mean he's paid directly by Apple, but benefits from Apple's success. He's not a "tech blogger" he's an "Apple blogger". If he was being paid directly he'd be an astroturfer. I'm using "shill" very precisely here.

> The market right now can be divided into two sections; things like the Pebble, and watches-with-apps (Apple Watch, Android Wear). For the latter category, which way you go entirely depends on what sort of phone you have,

But he does compare it. This article is not an analysis-in-a-isolation. He explicitly compares the Apple Watch to regular timepieces, and in such a way that it generally compares favorably to those devices -- then he spends a few paragraphs excusing why it's not that great of a watch.

He doesn't compare it against other smart watches or other fitness tracking devices at all, but both are market segments the Apple Watch explicitly markets towards, which he spends almost 1/6th of this essay talking about. It's not that I think the Apple Watch would fare poorly against those other devices, but that it brings up uncomfortable questions about the entire segment that Gruber isn't prepared to talk about because Apple hasn't told him how to talk about it (either directly or through their marketing and advertising channels).

> so a comparison arguably isn't particularly worthwhile.

Why wouldn't a comparison be worthwhile? They all have significant product overlap, the Venn diagram of all smart watches is almost a circle, while the Venn diagram with traditional watches is not. Yet he chose to spend 1,000 words on the regular timepiece comparison, and zero words on the market segment. I'm positing that this wasn't an accident. It's an easy comparison to make against the rest of the offerings in the segment.

- The battery life is better than just about any Android Watch on the market

- It's not as good as a Pebble

- But the screen and functionality is better than a Pebble, and most of the Android watches on the market

- The styling of the Apple watch appears to be better than other competing watches on the market

- But this comes at a cost, it's among the most expensive devices in the segment

- You also have to be in the Apple ecosystem to use it

There, that's easy. My mini-comparison review even makes the Apple Watch look like a good choice. It's because that's what a critical analysis looks like. You don't set the outcome of your review then fudge in 6,000 words to support it.

By not doing that there's only a few possibilities:

- In all the years that smart watches have been out, he's never bothered to even check one out, showing an extreme lack of interest in the segment, he's only now interested at all because Apple has put one out. This is useless.

- Now that he has an Apple watch, he could go to the his local electronics store and just use the novel technique of looking at a few competitors and give some impressions. He didn't and this is also useless.

- He did do the above, and doesn't want to write about it, because several years into the market now, the competitor's offerings are more mature and compare better to the Apple Watch. By not writing about this issue, he's shilling and is useless.

- He already decided to write a positive review about the Watch. This is preordained, since he always says positive things about Apple products. He acts like the rest of the market doesn't exist or is irrelevant, but $20 Casio watches are. This is useless.

The only useful thing he could have done, at minimum is say "I'll be doing a comparison test against the rest of the market in an upcoming article", at a maximum is use some of his 6,000 words to compare against the entire rest of the market.

But he doesn't and all we know is that Gruber wants you to think he thinks the Apple Watch is good.

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