It doesn't matter what these articles say. Under what Constitutional law is law enforcement going to force Apple and Google to change their encryption systems? Perhaps the NSA and the (still unconstitutionally vague) FISA court can force them by putting a secret gun to Tim's head but ordinary non-secret law enforcement organizations have no legal way to challenge this that would pass even this Supreme Court which is where anything would eventually wind up years from now.
U.S. Law Enforcement Seeks to Halt Apple-Google Encryption of Mobile Data
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I don't see why it's such a big deal for law enforcement investigators. They'll still be able to force Apple and Google to send trojan clients to targets, as happened with Hushmail, won't they?
Yes, but it still makes their jobs a lot more difficult. I'm of the opinion that this is not a ruse or scheme, and that law enforcement are genuinely dissatisfied with this. Note that law enforcement and the NSA have a tenuous relationship at best. Even if the NSA still do have privileged access after default mobile encryption is fully rolled out, law enforcement generally will not be able to tap into that except in…
Law enforcement is far over reaching in my opinion. This data is still hackable because all data is hackable. the fact it is inconvenient is a good thing. This is like saying you should only be allowed to have car or house locks that law enforcement has keys to. They can still acquire the data but they will need to spend significant resources to do it. Invading your citizens privacy should be difficult!
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Dress uniform for police? That's not quite as bad as the paramilitary BDUs, but, really?
Police do have official events to attend. In my state capital there is a yearly event to honor fallen officers where representatives from every police force in the state show up in their dress uniforms for a mass memorial service.
They could wear suits. That might remind them they are of the people, and their first priority is to serve the people. They might also consider attending the memorial service for Mike Brown. In suits.
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#274I'm amazed at the how FBI and the Justice Department somehow managed to not notice that Apple was improving their security in iOS 8 until after iOS 8 was launched, despite months of public beta testing.
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Apple has staked their reputation on the line and said "send us an NSL if you like, we have nothing we can give you". And the cryptographic principles, if executed properly, are sound. Maybe they're lying. Maybe Snowden 2.0 will come out next year and tell us the truth and instantly destroy their credibility. That's a gamble I wouldn't take with my company, but it's plausible. See I figure, if you're a threat to Nati…
What makes you think it's such a big gamble? People just don't care about privacy as much as the news would have you believe. Don't believe me? Quick, think of one of the largest and most consistently flagrant private entities who violates the privacy of its users on a regular basis, and is well known for it. Did you say Google? Facebook? Now quickly think of two of the largest companies on the Internet, both in reve…
You could say that people don't take design seriously, and use google and Facebook as examples.
But Apple does. And though most people won't consciously notice that their products are well designed, it is a big part of what makes Apple "magical".
People do care. We care and while we may be a tiny minority right now, there are a lot more of us than there were 10 and 20 years ago.
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Not only is his finger on the trigger but the weapon is cocked.
Don't worry dude it's probably not loaded. cue cries of "every gun is always loaded"
I don't know why you're getting down voted, maybe people don't know the first rule of gun safety: Always treat the firearm as if it is loaded. (which on the internet is "the gun is always loaded" shorthand.)
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Yes, but it still makes their jobs a lot more difficult. I'm of the opinion that this is not a ruse or scheme, and that law enforcement are genuinely dissatisfied with this. Note that law enforcement and the NSA have a tenuous relationship at best. Even if the NSA still do have privileged access after default mobile encryption is fully rolled out, law enforcement generally will not be able to tap into that except in…
Law enforcement is far over reaching in my opinion. This data is still hackable because all data is hackable. the fact it is inconvenient is a good thing. This is like saying you should only be allowed to have car or house locks that law enforcement has keys to. They can still acquire the data but they will need to spend significant resources to do it. Invading your citizens privacy should be difficult!
I agree.
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Ah, but that plays into the US's very strange views on sex. It feels like an exception, rather than the general rule.
Yes, but... the law is not rational. It will execute the code you give it.
Exactly. This is precisely the point. It will interpret and execute whatever code is thrown at it. The problem is that the code is NOT DETERMINISTIC (or non-deterministic, whatever). It can be interpreted in a variety of different ways.
This and the fact that 'compiled' code is sometimes altered by applying some money-based side effects gives us some pretty ridiculous results.
Correct me if I'm wrong but there's no easy way to fix this problem.
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Nope. They could use a warrant to compel the sender or the recipient of the messages to unlock them or face jail time. But Apple doesn't have the keys.
wouldn't the 5th amendment protect against that?
Maybe. See http://www.uclalawreview.org/?p=5168
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#280I hypothesize that this is a coordinated yet simple ruse to rebuild trust in these brands post-Snowden [1][2]. There was similar press coverage regarding the DEA and iCloud encryption that was misreported in a similar way [3]. The Intercept (where Glenn Greenwald is now reporting from) has a story on what data Apple can still easily give away if you do believe they can't decrypt individual machines [4]. But maybe you…
How and does this protect against attacks via the baseband radio processor. That thing is a black box with proprietary firmware that has pretty much unrestricted access to memory (the way I understand it, someone please correct me).
So now it is a bit farcical to say "these are all secure" now. But if you happen to know how the baseband processor works (say you are friends with Qualcomm), you can try to get the encryption password right from the memory.