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F.C.C., in ‘Net Neutrality’ Turnaround, Plans to Allow Fast Lane

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lotu wrote: post #28
sroerick wrote: post #10

It's so frustrating to me that this is all based around the stupid legal assumption that we have to stream everything. God forbid your user should download something to watch later, to prevent having to redownload every time you watch it. And then during peak Netflix hours, I just can't use the internet reliably. If anyone knows any source for Libre video works, that I can download and watch with complete freedom, pl…

Honestly the assumption that we want to stream everything is a really good assumption. People are lazy and setting up a proper storage is tricky and costs money. This means 99.9% of people don't want to do it. Yes being in the .1% it would be nice if we were catered to but that's life.

That's fine. Make a tiny download link at the bottom of the page. It would require little to no infrastructure changes. Let the 99% stream.

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webmaven wrote: post #141
sroerick wrote: post #10

It's so frustrating to me that this is all based around the stupid legal assumption that we have to stream everything. God forbid your user should download something to watch later, to prevent having to redownload every time you watch it. And then during peak Netflix hours, I just can't use the internet reliably. If anyone knows any source for Libre video works, that I can download and watch with complete freedom, pl…

Here you go: http://vodo.net https://archive.org/details/movies http://www.publicdomaintorrents.info

Oh, man. Thank you so much.

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tomwrenn wrote: post #185
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The real reason for streaming is that most people don't know in advance what they want to watch, and with TV/movies, generally only watch something once. I don't know if this is really true. How do you find out about something you want to watch? You see a commercial for it, or somebody tells you about it, etc. If all you had to do was pull your phone out of your pocket and click a button that says "download this wh…

Which is why I'm confused why you guys are advocating this form of consumption over streaming? Assuming most people watch a piece of content once wouldn't it be more bandwidth efficient to transfer them the data on demand when you know they're going to watch it instead of them speculatively guessing what they want to watch and maybe not watching it?

How about a sequential TV show? It would be a non-issue for netflix to figure out when you were binge watching and preload 4k video.

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AlexLord wrote: post #75
sroerick wrote: post #10

It's so frustrating to me that this is all based around the stupid legal assumption that we have to stream everything. God forbid your user should download something to watch later, to prevent having to redownload every time you watch it. And then during peak Netflix hours, I just can't use the internet reliably. If anyone knows any source for Libre video works, that I can download and watch with complete freedom, pl…

Streaming is seen, by many content creators, as a way to fight piracy.

I know. I'm just frustrated by that. We're imposing random and artificial limits on technology because of an outdated business model.

Imagine if the RIAA made a law that CDs could only be played sequentially, and you had to turn the disc over to get to the second half.

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mfisher87 wrote: post #128
gfodor wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don't like waiting for downloads, news at 11

Streaming is downloading. Your computer couldn't play it if it wasn't on your computer. The argument worth making here is that content on Netflix is generally watched once, or rarely. It would be trivial to not delete streamed data if that was a good solution to a problem.

What about bandwidth issues? I'd like to preload a film in 4K so that I could watch it without interruption.

And lets not forget that Netflix's whole business model is binge watching, which means you could easily preload future episodes of House of Cards.

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higherpurpose wrote: post #23
sroerick wrote: post #10

It's so frustrating to me that this is all based around the stupid legal assumption that we have to stream everything. God forbid your user should download something to watch later, to prevent having to redownload every time you watch it. And then during peak Netflix hours, I just can't use the internet reliably. If anyone knows any source for Libre video works, that I can download and watch with complete freedom, pl…

If you had a 100 Mbps connection, like many other countries do, streaming Netflix in HD would not be a problem. So this is first and foremost a lazy monopolist problem, less so a congestion problem.

But look at the arguments being held up by both companies.

Comcast is arguing that Netflix is trying to get Comcast to build its infrastructure. Netflix is arguing that Comcast is extorting them for their infrastructure.

Both arguments assume that everything must be streamed, and the only reason for that is the DMCA and our copyright culture.

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webmaven wrote: post #141
sroerick wrote: post #10

It's so frustrating to me that this is all based around the stupid legal assumption that we have to stream everything. God forbid your user should download something to watch later, to prevent having to redownload every time you watch it. And then during peak Netflix hours, I just can't use the internet reliably. If anyone knows any source for Libre video works, that I can download and watch with complete freedom, pl…

Here you go: http://vodo.net https://archive.org/details/movies http://www.publicdomaintorrents.info

Hey do you know any more about Vodo? I can't quite figure out what their bundles are. Are the movies and music and games in the bundle CC? I see the Free Movies page but I'm unsure what the licensing terms for the bundle are.

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ChrisLTD wrote: post #50
sroerick wrote: post #10

It's so frustrating to me that this is all based around the stupid legal assumption that we have to stream everything. God forbid your user should download something to watch later, to prevent having to redownload every time you watch it. And then during peak Netflix hours, I just can't use the internet reliably. If anyone knows any source for Libre video works, that I can download and watch with complete freedom, pl…

Another wrinkle: The popular devices for viewing online video, Rokus, Apple TVs, gaming consoles, tablets, and phones have little to no storage space for meaningful amounts of HD video.

If the above assumption I mentioned wasn't true, I would imagine all these devices would have USB ports.

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pjlegato wrote: post #95
pessimizer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience people seem to be able to use TiVos just fine.

Tivo's annual revenue is 406m, and the company is worth 1.45bn. ( https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ATIVO ) Respectable? Sure. But not even close to Netflix. Netflix's annual revenue is 4.3 BN (i.e. over 10x higher), and the company is worth 21bn. ( https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ANFLX ) Why? Sure, a relatively few people will use Tivo, but many more won't. Empirically, the convenience / lack of plan…

Tivo is a massively outdated business model. It's still relient on a time schedule run by TV networks. I'm looking for the modern equivalent of TiVo, something that lets me save and keep the content I'm streaming.

Parent was not using an anecdote to illustrate that streaming is better/worse than downloading.

Parent was using an anecdote to prove the fact that UIs exist that allow people to store media, rather than constantly streaming it.

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mempko wrote: post #64
sroerick wrote: post #10

It's so frustrating to me that this is all based around the stupid legal assumption that we have to stream everything. God forbid your user should download something to watch later, to prevent having to redownload every time you watch it. And then during peak Netflix hours, I just can't use the internet reliably. If anyone knows any source for Libre video works, that I can download and watch with complete freedom, pl…

Internet archive has a shit ton of movies and videos that are public domain. You can also always Torrent.....

Internet Archive is great.

I'd like access to current creative commons works,though, not just public domain items. I'm trying to fight the copyright regieme, which prevents me from accessing the culture around me.

Going back in time to the 40s doesn't exactly do that for me. Don't get me wrong, IA is amazing, and I use it all the time. But I'd like something like Netflix that was exclusively for CC works. vodo seems like a good contender.

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