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Re: Microsoft launches Office for iPad

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Post by batoure »

adamlett wrote: post #245
batoure wrote: post #186

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Nope its actually a totally real and meaningful measure. it measures how much of the market market -> all the people encompasses your share share -> using your stuff Apple has shown time and again that it isn't a good measure of Profitability, but your statement seemed to imply a more general connotation that I can't help with disagree with.

Market share != Usage share If more people are buying product A, but product B has a longer useful life, then it conceivable for product B to have a higher usage share. The problem is that usage share is a lot harder to measure than market share. But ultimately it's the more important number when it comes to things like network effect and developer and consumer mindshare.

This is definitely conceivably true but definitely not true in the current context.

80 million OSX (any version) users world wide in 2012 http://www.cultofmac.com/172693/mac-os-x-by-the-numbers-60-m...

110 million windows 8(just windows 8 not windows in general) users in 2013 http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/there-are-now-over-110-mil...

believe it or not their are 500 million windows xp users still http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-to-cut-windows-xp-2...

Market share actually does in some respect account for a sum of existing products in use, how that is calculated will depend on the reporting entity.

Usage share turns out to be super easy to capture these days, we do it by looking at the browser string of a request to a web server. Most big sites are putting out this type of data so a relatively clear picture emerges.

For a company like microsoft or apple market share is a more useful measure because it helps them plan/predict their supply chain so that they have the right amount of inventory in the right place at the right time.

But from a developer perspective usage share is more interesting for obvious reasons.

In this case the numbers are still basically the same.

Re: Microsoft launches Office for iPad

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Post by batoure »

nwp90 wrote: post #225
batoure wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope its actually a totally real and meaningful measure. it measures how much of the market market -> all the people encompasses your share share -> using your stuff Apple has shown time and again that it isn't a good measure of Profitability, but your statement seemed to imply a more general connotation that I can't help with disagree with.

Except that it doesn't measure the actual using at all; I seem to recall there being rather more interesting stats than just vanilla "market share" in the iOS vs Android comparison that show that while more people have Android devices, more people with iOS are spending more on, and using more Apps.

So again we see that apple has been good at getting the platform profitable here is a great article that breaks this down. It ends up being less about the fact that iphone apps are better per say (which I think they often are) but more about the fact that significantly more apps for android start out free.

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/03/11/the-surprising-number...

but your statement about usage is wrong see the following article on app use:

http://www.cnet.com/news/most-iphone-applications-gathering-...

Re: Microsoft launches Office for iPad

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Post by slowmotiony »

ekianjo wrote: post #218
sz4kerto wrote: post #4

MS is changing, and make no mistake, this has started with Ballmer. If you watch(ed) the press conf, it's quite apparent. App store for Android, Office for iPad, AD for Azure.. quite nice stuff, that's what we expect from a software giant: just release stuff for everything, everywhere, and make things be able to work with each other nicely. Good to see that, competition is always good for the users, and Apple, Google…

That will be interesting to see if they actually release Office on Linux distros should the Linux desktop become more popular (and that's kind of expected).

How is that expected?

Re: Microsoft launches Office for iPad

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Post by malandrew »

voltagex_ wrote: post #235
batoure wrote: post #221

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she has been an avid user of PC Gourmet (Big Blue Disk 39) since the eighties. I have never been able to extract the recipes easily and she has been using it pretty much constantly for 20+ years so there are too many to do by hand. It worked ok in xp but won't run since windows 7/8 so ... vmware

Is there any way you can get a copy of the disk to me? I'm interested in old file formats.

Connections like these are why HN is amazeballs. You can make a simple comment and someone here will have a technical interest in helping you out.

Re: Microsoft launches Office for iPad

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Post by malandrew »

voltagex_ wrote: post #234
malandrew wrote: post #184

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That's a step in the right direction, but don't make us use Hyper-V when most of us are already using VirtualBox. That's one more thing to add to my stack that is different than my tooling that works with all other operating systems I test on. Most developers using vagrant use VirtualBox. Now I have no problem if you make things work with Hyper-V, but please make things work with VirtualBox as well. Does hyper-v even…

Hyper V is Microsoft's answer to VMWare's ESX, not to VirtualBox. VirtualBox can be godawful at times. What's not working for you?

vagrant-windows is not working at all on OS X at the moment. https://github.com/WinRb/vagrant-windows/issues/177

Near as I can tell the issue has to do with the WinRM gem, which I'd debug myself, but looking at the source and what it does, I am woefully unequipped to debug that issue without spending a lot of time that I should be spending on other work. I'm simply too far removed from the Windows world to even know where to begin.

Re: Microsoft launches Office for iPad

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Post by jmspring »

ksk wrote: post #252
jmspring wrote: post #3

A review comparing the Apple apps (native and cloud), MSFT Office (native and cloud), and Google Docs compare would be interesting. Specifically usability (touch as well as external keyboard attached), on and offline modes. Playing up the ribbon in the presentation? Curious as ribbon really has triggered a love it or hate it reaction.

> Curious as ribbon really has triggered a love it or hate it reaction. What do you hate about it? I find it to be just a bigger toolbar. The thing I care about the most is UI responsiveness, so Apple's iOS (upto 6, hate 7) UI has always impressed me with its fluidity. Google is web based which I hate the most. I cant understand how any sane person could use a shitty bloated web app over a high performance native app…

I personally don't care about it one way or the other. Just, over the years, I recall people really disliking it...how cluttered it is, etc.

Re: Microsoft launches Office for iPad

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Post by ksk »

jmspring wrote: post #277
ksk wrote: post #252

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> Curious as ribbon really has triggered a love it or hate it reaction. What do you hate about it? I find it to be just a bigger toolbar. The thing I care about the most is UI responsiveness, so Apple's iOS (upto 6, hate 7) UI has always impressed me with its fluidity. Google is web based which I hate the most. I cant understand how any sane person could use a shitty bloated web app over a high performance native app…

I personally don't care about it one way or the other. Just, over the years, I recall people really disliking it...how cluttered it is, etc.

Yes, I have seen people complain about it as well. I never understood the hate.

Re: Microsoft launches Office for iPad

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Post by voltagex_ »

batoure wrote: post #267
voltagex_ wrote: post #260

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Sorry for the multiple posts on this. You sent me on a bit of an adventure: * Downloaded a modified DOSBox build with printer support from http://ykhwong.x-y.net/ (linked from DOSBox wiki so not too worried) * Mapped LPT1 in DOSBox to LPT1 in Windows * installed CUPS-PDF [1] on a CUPS server in a VM * shared virtual PDF printer via Samba to Windows * ran net use lpt1: \\vm.local\pdf /persistent:yes * printed from DOS…

I will have to try this out.... the problem with extracting all the recipes... of which there are a ton. is that you are still in a go in print them one by one then parse the pdf. What I really wanted to do was figure out how to read the data files then pull everything into a db or something where I could do more with it.

The file format looks whacky but not impossible to parse.

Get in contact with me if you're interested in pursuing this further.

Re: Microsoft launches Office for iPad

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Post by rodgerd »

Tenhundfeld wrote: post #224
rodgerd wrote: post #135

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This isn't the 1990s anymore where Windows is the dominant platform. It's always easy to see who's in the bubble.

rodgerd, this comment really annoys me. It comes across so smug and, IMO, so wrong. Windows is not the dominant computing platform, because PCs are not the dominant computing platform. Smartphones have been outselling PCs since 2011 – not even considering tablets. Windows is obviously still the dominant PC OS, but unlike the 1990's, that doesn't make it the dominant platform. This is an article about Microsoft releas…

In the world, outside the bubble, there are still more people using PCs to do stuff than pretty much any other device. That looks like it's in the process of changing. But the only people who think it already has are folks living in a very particular slice of reality.
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