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Re: Wozniak: “Actually, the movie was largely a lie about me”

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Post by abalone »

abalone wrote: post #262
justin66 wrote: post #250

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> Woz even criticizes the early Mac for losing money. Says Scully saved the company. It looks like you're trying to be critical of Woz but it's worth noting that he is totally correct here. The company would not have continued without the Apple II revenue Sculley was focused on keeping. In the same vein, Gil Amelio and Fred Thompson later saved the company from bankruptcy by selling Apple debt at remarkably favorable…

"I can't help but wonder how much more successful he might have been..." I just. Wow. Jobs was maybe more successful than anyone else in the history of the industry, ever, plus there was that movie studio thing.

Pardon my momentary astonishment there, but you are talking about one of the most successful people in the industry. That alone should give you cause for pause in your analysis, which you seem especially confident of ("totally correct").

You seem to discount the possibility that Sculley et al were the problem.

Let's look at the history: While they may have temporarily boosted revenues at first, uncontroversially the "sales guys" ran Apple into the ground in the 90s. Drove it almost bankrupt. Jobs came back and indisputably saved the company from the brink of disaster, not by trying to play the same game as Microsoft, but again by pursuing visionary projects.

Jobs' refusal to compromise and "work with" the sales guys who ran Apple into the ground... is maybe, just possibly, one of the reasons he ended up being one of the most successful guys in the history of the computing industry.

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Dn_Ab wrote: post #54

Sidenote: You can tell Woz is an amazing genuinely good person with no hint of pretension or self importance. A lot can be discerned about famous personalities by who they choose to follow. For example, you can tell whether the person has little utility for social networks but maybe started out following a scattering of experts relevant to their interests. Usually though, the personality is using their handful of fol…

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Post by justplay »

csmattryder wrote: post #265
crusso wrote: post #216

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http://www.kickstarter.com/

I've never backed anything on Kickstarter yet, nothing's caught my eye, but an iWoz film would be a great way to get into the whole crowdfunding thing. He's a great engineer, but unfortunately for big-budget film-makers, isn't a name that'll draw people into the box office.

Woz deserves recognition, lets do it guy.

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Post by dchichkov »

ne0codex wrote: post #257
dchichkov wrote: post #248

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If only we could celebrate that kind of integrity on the par with brilliant salesmanship. Think a world without Jobs, or a world without Woz, which one is a sadder place?

The world needed both.

That is not the answer to the question that I had asked. The question is, if you have to choose, which world would be the sadder place? World without Jobs or world without Woz?

The reason to ask that question is because it gives a clue, which person and which principles we ought to celebrate more.

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Post by cma »

vasilipupkin wrote: post #254
thearn4 wrote: post #245

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The replies are interesting indeed: >Actually, Jobs was not fired. He could have been well funded to develop any product, even something like the NeXT, right at Apple. He was removed from running Macintosh because he had no good constructive ideas that were needed to save the company. He felt that some small adjustments in pricing, and diverting funds from our revenue source, the Apple ][, would make the Macintosh an…

Jobs supposedly erroneously sabotages the cash cow. Job leaves, thank god. Everything is honky dory because Woz is still there? It sounds to me a bit like Woz is wishing for something that didn't quite pan out like that

Things were fine for a while, mac started making money, Woz got into a plane crash and reevaluated his life, left apple and went back to school.

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Post by varjag »

vasilipupkin wrote: post #253
varjag wrote: post #164

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> My guess is if it werent't for Wozniak, Steve Jobs would have found himself another Wozniak or would have put himself into a situation where he would have not needed a Wozniak. Unless you're religious or believe in fate, Jobs life would probably be very different. He could become a successful artist or car salesman or crack cocaine dealer, but unlikely a tech visionary.

Steve Jobs left Apple, wasn't Wozniak there that whole time? Then he came back and lo and behold, not just did a good job of running the company but turned it into world's biggest company by market cap. Could Woz have done that? Once they parted ways, Woz did not much ( relatively ), while Jobs did a lot.

> Steve Jobs left Apple, wasn't Wozniak there that whole time?

No, he left shortly after.

> Then he came back and lo and behold, not just did a good job of running the company but turned it into world's biggest company by market cap.

The company struggled when Jobs was outed in the first place.

> Could Woz have done that?

Probably not, Wozniak is not a businessman. But I have a better question, could Jobs become a leader of Apple and figure of note in first place if he had not walked on Wozniak with already complete Apple prototype? There's a lot to be said to being in the right place at the right time.

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Post by mattlutze »

dchichkov wrote: post #275
ne0codex wrote: post #257

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The world needed both.

That is not the answer to the question that I had asked. The question is, if you have to choose, which world would be the sadder place? World without Jobs or world without Woz? The reason to ask that question is because it gives a clue, which person and which principles we ought to celebrate more .

Maybe it was the wrong question to ask.

Why does either need to be celebrated more? Vision and perseverance, determination and resolve, integrity and magnanimity are all culturally celebrated virtues.

To honor one man while denying the other is to ignore part of what made that endeavor the success it was.

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