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David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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He does this for "moral" reasons yet recently vetoed the minimum alcohol price proposal:

> “We do not yet have enough concrete evidence that its introduction would be effective in reducing harms associated with problem drinking, without penalising people who drink responsibly.

Where's the "concrete evidence" for this new stuff?

Not something anyone can challenge either without putting their reputation on the line.

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Targeted ads would be the least of my worries. What concerns me is fascist governments deciding they get to filter whatever they're contempt with. Such censorship doesn't fit well with civil liberties, we know this from other countries which already have nation-wide filtering.

This is why I believe the 'opt-in/out' switching should be as seemless and accessible as possible - if it is, then to my mind this is no closer to censorship than the film classification system. "By default the state assumes you don't want to see sexual content; if you do - thats fine by us" Note that I'm saying this is how I see it balancing with civil liberties - there is of course the chance that it DOESN'T work o…

I'm not sure this is as simple as an opt in/out switch for the user. It will also require the construction of a way of rating sites as in or out, which will lead to the government being able to choose sites to fall one side of the filter or the other.

It begins with porn, of course, but it's essentially creating the apparatus to censor at will.

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> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

As if Britain didn't have real problems to deal with: - Long term unemployment is at a 17 year high. - Government debt is at 90 percent of GDP. - Violent crimes is worst in EU. For years Britain has feared loosing sovereignty to the European Union. To me it seems like they should maybe worry more about American influence with all the wars they fight, the spying on their citizens and now the neo puritanism.

> "- Government debt is at 90 percent of GDP."

Describing debt as percentage of GDP is a subjective anti-debt framing of the issue. Here's why:

Units of debt: $ (here pounds). Units of GDP: $/year. So, units of debt/GDP: years, not percent.

Since "100%" sounds like a high number, this way of framing the numbers is useful for scaring people. Putting it mathematically correct "11 months" sounds much less scary.

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Same tactics everywhere, Mandatory internet Filters on every ISP as a precaution against pornography or child pornography. Same crippled laws as Turkey. Nobody is prevented reaching porn. But most of the time filters are used against so called "piracy", "extremist" political or "regional" views and these kinds of political agendas. Currently websites pro-evolution are struggling censorship.

Yep. Any time a politician talks about child porn or terrorism, you want to ask yourself, "what are they really trying to achieve here?"

My guess is that the film lobby is trying to get the government to push the cost of preventing piracy onto Internet firmshere. The end user will pay for it and have a more restricted Internet.

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I don't think they're that stupid. They know the endgame is censorship and control. The next step will be court sanctioned page blocks against the terrorists followed by the usual propaganda in the shite rags...

Another possibility, avoiding Hanlon's razor: They honestly have trouble understanding how or why someone could in good conscience disagree. They don't want control or censorship in the abstract; they just want to legislate morality on this one issue because their position is so "obviously" right. Using laws like this to censor things that don't harm kids would be unthinkable, but harming kids is clearly bad, so this…

They honestly have trouble understanding how or why someone could in good conscience disagree.

That should instantly disqualify them from a career in politics!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As if Britain didn't have real problems to deal with: - Long term unemployment is at a 17 year high. - Government debt is at 90 percent of GDP. - Violent crimes is worst in EU. For years Britain has feared loosing sovereignty to the European Union. To me it seems like they should maybe worry more about American influence with all the wars they fight, the spying on their citizens and now the neo puritanism.

> - Violent crimes is worst in EU. Why would that be Britain's problem ?

Worst != Worse

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Why are people so afraid of pornography? A healthy society is one that promotes sex. Not one that censors its citizens for 'the children.' Don't get me wrong: People that look at children and the like should be caught and prosecuted. But really, the way to go about that isn't to ban ALL of pornography. Are we to ban butter knifes incase someone goes on a rampage with one? No, we identify the issues that cause someone…

> Why are people so afraid of pornography? A healthy society is one that promotes sex

I think it's because there's still a generational divide between people who grew up with easy access to Internet (and to porn, obviously) and people who didn't (those at 40+, including our politicians).

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> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

I take it noone will get raped on eastenders then.

Well Eastenders gets away with it by putting a helpline number at the end of the program with the text "If you've been affected by the issues in this program, contact 0845...".

Perhaps they could do that with blue movies :)

"If you've been fucked in the eyesocket"...

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