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Re: iOS 7

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Post by protitap »

bane wrote: post #84
crazygringo wrote: post #30

Oh God why. I've got nothing against flat design done well, but this just makes everything so much harder to SEE . Look at the example screen for "Control Center" -- it looks like a geometric indistinguishable mess . The line around buttons is the same as the line dividing sections is almost the same as the line in sliders. The example screen for weather shows thin white text against a light blue background, which I…

the white text on light backgrounds is unbelievable

They could have at least added a little shadow or something, like they would usually. I don't know what they were thinking. I usually trust Apple with these design matters.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by joeblau »

inthewind wrote: post #266
freyr wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That nobody in the real world has actually tried it yet? Fair enough. But I remember when Apple first made the iTunes icons monochromatic, and everyone complained that they'd no longer be able to distinguish the icons. People seemed to adapt pretty quickly though.

> That nobody in the real world has actually tried it yet? Surely someone somewhere has bought a Windows phone ;)

I have one :). I will say that it's surprisingly a lot better than I thought it would be.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by mrmagooey »

I feel like Control Center is Apple finally taking onboard the fact that SBSettings is one of the main reasons people jailbreak their phones. It's been interesting to see all the jailbreak features that came out like 5 years ago slowly making their way into iOS (e.g. multitasking, interactive lockscreen). Not that they really 'worked' on iPhone3 mind you, but they did exist.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by coldtea »

btipling wrote: post #5

The choice of colors and gradients look terrible. They made iOS look worse. They swung too far away from skeuomorphic design. Even the art on the icons, without considering the colors, look like an amateur drew them. Look at the SDK icon: http://i.imgur.com/JXw7KQA.png That is ugly. So is the iTunes icon, so is the Safari icon. Not a fan.

>Look at the SDK icon. That is ugly.

It's ugly because nobody gives a fuck about the SDK icon. It's not even an icon anyway -- there's no "SDK" app.

It's just a picture they put on the slides to represent the new SDK.

Don't you think if you want to make sweeping statements you'd better start with the icons people will actually see everyday? How about the home screen?

Re: iOS 7

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Post by coldtea »

midnitewarrior wrote: post #210
miguelrochefort wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They tried to get away from skeuomorphism, but still some remains. Just look at PassBook or the ugly 3D browsing through tabs. The whole design simply is not well thought out. This has clearly been rushed, which is not something I expect from Apple. If iOS 7 was leaked, people wouldn't believe it's the real thing. Sadly, it is. I'm staying with Windows Phone.

I didn't know what Microsoft meant in their description of Windows Phone as "Authentically Digital" until I just saw the ugly bombshell Apple just left. The new iOS looks half-baked, they can't do anything too bold, else they lose their metaphors, yet they can't do anything radical like Microsoft did without redefining their platform and re-educating their users. Run away. Fast.

>Run away. Fast.

Towards an Applestore? I've been using an iPhone since 3GS, and this is the best release ever. Both in features and looks.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by coldtea »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #65
btipling wrote: post #5

The choice of colors and gradients look terrible. They made iOS look worse. They swung too far away from skeuomorphic design. Even the art on the icons, without considering the colors, look like an amateur drew them. Look at the SDK icon: http://i.imgur.com/JXw7KQA.png That is ugly. So is the iTunes icon, so is the Safari icon. Not a fan.

They tried to get away from skeuomorphism, but still some remains. Just look at PassBook or the ugly 3D browsing through tabs. The whole design simply is not well thought out. This has clearly been rushed, which is not something I expect from Apple. If iOS 7 was leaked, people wouldn't believe it's the real thing. Sadly, it is. I'm staying with Windows Phone.

>They tried to get away from skeuomorphism, but still some remains. Just look at PassBook or the ugly 3D browsing through tabs.

What's ugly about those tabs?

And what's ...skeuomorphic about them? They remind you of real life huge rectangles with webpages on them that you browse through 3D space at home?

Re: iOS 7

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

coldtea wrote: post #269
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #196

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Except neither Android nor WP8 follow that assumption/conclusion.

And neither does iOS 7. I mean, where do you see the: "jarring psychedelic colour schemes"? If anything the grant-parent brings up the example of the Control Center, which is the opposite of that, just a two-color subdued thing.

Sorry, I wasn't really agreeing with any of the GP comment - I think iOS7-UI was exactly what they needed. A very modern refresh and I think it's sharp (and I love Holo and WP8 has a very unique style certainly).

I don't like the background of CC myself, but I think that's actually because they're letting the hue of the homescreen icons below bleed through too much. It's "neat" but I think it's kinda visually gross :S

Re: iOS 7

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Post by WayneDB »

rgbrgb wrote: post #185
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is Apple marketing material they've made available. It's perfectly valid to make judgements from that in my opinion.

It's perfectly invalid to make judgements on usability without using it though.

You can absolutely pass valid judgement on quality of usability on sight alone.

If I showed you a picture of a 4 foot wide ship wheel and said I was going to install it in my Mazda Miata - you'd know instantly that it would be unusable, right? How about a screen-shot of a text editor that only shows you one giant character at a time?

Even as we move away from the ridiculous end of the spectrum of examples - you can know how usable something is based on past experience with similar environments.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by runjake »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #54
crazygringo wrote: post #30

Oh God why. I've got nothing against flat design done well, but this just makes everything so much harder to SEE . Look at the example screen for "Control Center" -- it looks like a geometric indistinguishable mess . The line around buttons is the same as the line dividing sections is almost the same as the line in sliders. The example screen for weather shows thin white text against a light blue background, which I…

At the risk of getting flamed, you haven't actually tried it in the real world yet - you've looked at it on you monitor ...

I have. I'm typing this from iOS 7. My opinion has changed little from seeing it on the Keynote to actually using it. Some graphic details don't seem as bad in person and others are much worse.

On the plus side, it's very speedy. Plus, it makes existing 3rd party apps look glorious, with their attractive, last-generation looks.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by nicholassmith »

bcks wrote: post #62
crazygringo wrote: post #30

Oh God why. I've got nothing against flat design done well, but this just makes everything so much harder to SEE . Look at the example screen for "Control Center" -- it looks like a geometric indistinguishable mess . The line around buttons is the same as the line dividing sections is almost the same as the line in sliders. The example screen for weather shows thin white text against a light blue background, which I…

Agreed. Did they do any kind of usability / legibility studies on the thinner typeface? I mean, I mostly use my phone to read email. Why would they reduce contrast on the default text and make it even harder to read?! Just because you have higher resolution screens, doesn't mean you can get away with a thinner sans serif. What's the point if everyone has to increase the size of the text to read it?

Apple has significantly invested in accessibility technologies for iOS and OS X. The tail doesn't wag the dog, but I don't think they'll have out and out ignored accessibility concerns (legibility and usability for larger numbers) after convincing developers to go down that route.
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