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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by resonious »

StilesCrisis wrote: post #251
mchusma wrote: post #192

There was surprisingly little information on how they actually do this, but we run our business with a large number of, what we call "AI employees" in addition to regular employees, and they act in interesting ways. We've been building out orchestration tools to handle this, and we'll probably do a write-up or blog post on it soon. May even open source some of it. The preview is that the problem with most agents (and…

Is this actually cost-effective versus hiring a few humans? Seems like a huge amount of tokens in use.

I think it's more of an experiment at this point. We don't know whether it's viable or not.

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Post by theplumber »

mchusma wrote: post #192

There was surprisingly little information on how they actually do this, but we run our business with a large number of, what we call "AI employees" in addition to regular employees, and they act in interesting ways. We've been building out orchestration tools to handle this, and we'll probably do a write-up or blog post on it soon. May even open source some of it. The preview is that the problem with most agents (and…

Don’t you end up with useless slop? That was my experience with these kinds of systems. In theory they should work but in practice unless hand holded they just produce slop and waste.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by stillpointlab »

classified wrote: post #246
mchusma wrote: post #192

There was surprisingly little information on how they actually do this, but we run our business with a large number of, what we call "AI employees" in addition to regular employees, and they act in interesting ways. We've been building out orchestration tools to handle this, and we'll probably do a write-up or blog post on it soon. May even open source some of it. The preview is that the problem with most agents (and…

> we direct them to build as much software as possible That's not a cure-all. Sometimes not writing software is the better choice.

That may or may not be true, but the calculus has changed with agents. A process that was better manual for a human org may not be better for an agent org.

I think what is interesting here is that the industry is in this experimentation flux. Some people will choose to automate and write the software, others will not. And aggregate over the industry and over time we will learn.

So just saying "sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't" isn't really adding value, compared to the people actually experimenting and sharing the results.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by keeda »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #189

In cstross's Accelerando (2005) [1], there is an autonomous group of shell corporations all-but-DDOSing Delaware by spawning new companies and dynamically changing corporate structure. Back then, I believe, Stross had already conceptualized "corporations as slow AI", (which is a separate concept from above). [1] which you can read for free online https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/acceler...

I'll never pass up a chance to "+1" Accelerando. When I first read it, I found it very intriguing though far-fetched, as good SciFi novels often are. However, we are already witnessing some of the dynamics described in there, which is quite mind-blowing.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by stbenjam »

The example of the plant watering business is the hellscape future where humans have to deal with agents bugging them to sell them their services constantly. We're already seeing the first hints of this with iLands.

And the "hiring technicians" thing... great, humans on call for robots isn't the future I want.

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Post by razster »

owebmaster wrote: post #223
tantalor wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

skills/advertising_and_sales.md skills/novel_distribution.md skills/unique_and_interesting.md Naive to think you can't reduce these to instructions.

Do you really think AI can automate distribution, marketing, sales? That's just spam.

Oh my friend, it can. We have ours running and using unique skills it learns from online. You allow it to update skills and see what works - from there it just keeps building better and better skill sets.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by [deleted] »

lampiaio wrote: post #244
nouveaux wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Silly and pointless criticism. Why do the semantics of the word intelligence matter? It matters because, we're still sorting out what intelligence means for an AI agent. As you pointed out, language evolves over time. The question remains whether or not attributing intelligence to the current iteration of models is correct. This is not settled and I don't see why it's wrong to bring it up.

It's not wrong to bring it up, but the other comment did not "bring it up". It purported to correct someone by categorically stating "it is not intelligence, you are wrong and I am right" , while not once saying what, then, intelligence is. One thing is clear: LLMs at least already are capable of 1) not making the same mistake that person made, and 2) clearly seeing why the other person's post was "wrong" in both rea…

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by acedTrex »

switchbak wrote: post #60
acedTrex wrote: post #55

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When every get-rich-quick gonzo has exactly ZERO barrier to spamming the world with their terrible ideas, we're in for a particularly bad time. Ie: this f**in guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRGLToHAtgc

multiple of them in this very thread lol, what a disaster for all of us.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by LastTrain »

razster wrote: post #277
owebmaster wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think AI can automate distribution, marketing, sales? That's just spam.

Oh my friend, it can. We have ours running and using unique skills it learns from online. You allow it to update skills and see what works - from there it just keeps building better and better skill sets.

It can create more shit than humans could ever consume I’m sure, but then why? What new ventures/opportunities is it opening for most humans?
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