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Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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It’s really interesting timing, Qwen over thinking is what kills it for me. I’m just glad we have more options in this size class now.

I've been using Qwen3.6 35B A3B, and with reasoning turned on, I'd say 2/3 (give or take) of the tokens for a response are thinking tokens. Which at 70+ tps locally, that isn't that awful. I run an 80k context across 4-10 "agents" for my solo TTRPG, where Qwen is the GM, each NPC at a location, the director, and the narrator. Each turn is about 45-60 seconds to generate all of the various responses. The GM and direct…

I like the tabletop RPG use case, and wanted to say: If your hardware likes it you should check out Gemma 4 for creative DMing use case. I found it to be much better at holding the plotlines and being creative on gaming turns. My experimental case was an audio-only Zork and Gemma 12B and even E4B were pretty good!

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Remember when we needed 200 servers for an enterprise website because Apache used one process or thread per connection - and Nginx collapsed that into a single box overnight? That moment for LLMs is near. It’s going to move us from the big iron era of AI to small portable brains. Nature has already proved it’s possible with 20 watts and very little heat generation. And I think the data center buildout will end in car…

Side note! Nginx was by no means the first web server to use a non-forking mechanism, nor the first open source web server to do so. Certainly Zeus (which was closed source) was earlier and very useful in this sort of application, and so was thttpd (open source, still exists as Merecat). I used thttpd quite a bit for single box applications and at one of my employers, nginx replaced a mixed strategy with Zeus, Apache and thttpd (and we tested one other whose name I can’t recall).

Non-forking httpd servers using select() were a popular little coding challenge for a while in the 90s. Spinner was one of them.

Nginx’s real strength was being able to proxy and cache HTTP using that same mechanism, so you didn’t additionally need to deploy Varnish or some other appliance.

As to whether this is a good mental model for what is coming for local LLMs, I am not sure I am convinced. Apart from more quantisation-aware training, perhaps binary and ternary aware training, custom inference engines per model, and maybe some improvements in diffusion models, the grand challenge in small footprint LLMs is training really small reasoning and tool use models, and so far it’s far from clear they can deliver.

Truly tiny models will not be viable as general coding assistants; even 12B dense is too small and you will find plenty of people who will tell you that 26B/4B or 35B/3B MoE is too. Though perhaps they can be trained for single languages, like just Python or just TS/JS.

More likely is the idea that 30-40B dense models might be good enough for most things once low cost and likely bespoke hardware catches up.

But I don’t think any truly profound advances seem likely in software or training alone. I am no expert but it feels like we’re already a lot closer to efficiency than we were in your analogy, and the gains are perhaps not going to be much more than small increments.

Maybe we will see something like a ternary 60B/10B MoE model turn up. But at the moment at least I am not sure where the incentives are to train these.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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I lament the comments saying this in any way redeems Meta (the company). The researchers releasing this stuff have almost nothing to do with Meta other than being bankrolled by the slaughterhouse. You aren't the customer, you are the pawn in big tech's game of thrones. Your good will is a commodity to be traded, almost literally. It will be used against you the moment it's convenient. This is open weights because Met…

It’s rather amusing to me to read comments like this, and then simultaneously whenever a Chinese company or team releases open-weight models or whatever there is a giant round of applause, America is so behind, and there’s nothing but positive things to say about the intelligent, creative, and well-intentioned Chinese engineers (which is true, America certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on great people). Don’t you know…

Of the two competing models Meta compare Glimmer to in the post, one is Google's Gemma 4.

At this size open weight model, a Western company was already state of the art, Meta is joining that competition.

And my memory is that Gemma 4 got little criticism or doom/gloom. And no, it isn't Chinese.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Good points, I personally believe that if/when China takes the lead, they will immediately stop releasing model weights. It only makes sense as a strategy to counterbalance (current) American labs' monopoly on frontier models. Holding both those positions would be hypocritical all right, but are you sure it's the same people commenting/voting in both cases? I don't think there's a strong consensus on Hacker News. Eve…

> I don't think there's a strong consensus on Hacker News. Even something like the time of day an article is posted might get different engagement depending on who is active in which time zones. Based on my own experience and reading, I do think there's a general consensus on this site but I could certainly be wrong about that. I'm less concerned about hypocrisy per se, it's more that the arguments that are used, eve…

> It's common, if not inevitable, for people who feel strongly about $topic to conclude that the system (or the community, or the mods, etc.) are biased against their side. One is far more likely to notice whatever data points that one dislikes because they go against one's view and overweight those relative to others. This is probably the single most reliable phenomenon on this site. Keep in mind that the people with the opposite view to yours are just as convinced that there's bias, but they're sure that it's against their side and in favor of yours. -dang [1]

The problem isn’t that people on HN have a bias, I feel it’s pretty balanced. The problem is that when there are any sides, they spend the top 100 comments rehashing the same arguments, often over a political bugbear or web design faux pas.

That pattern became a lot more obvious when there are five new front page AI posts a day.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42205856

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Great to see Meta back, looks like really strong, local model, can't wait for llama.cpp support.

some support already merged, and I verified in a local build that it runs (cannot get MTP params working tho, about ~40 tok/s on my beefy 800GB/s 7900XT w/ 20GB VRAM). https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/26841

Just tested muse-glimmer:30b-mlx on my laptop. Works great although a bit slow.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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GDM -- Ok, I'll bite. Why are you including them?

Some labs go through bad patches, GDM is definitely in one right now and the recent departures are not reassuring, but I think it's too early and dismissive to count them out of the race so far. They just need one good frontier release for everyone to go "GDM is back!" Claude models weren't really good or noteworthy until the 3 series anyway.

I think the record is quite clear, GDM was never in the race.

All of the Gemini models have been considerably behind the capabilities frontier. The only exception was 3.0 which seemed quite good, but had latent issues and we were all measuring with the incorrect metric, agentic where it's latent issues were very pronounced.

GDM+Google may have created an exceptionally efficient LLM for serving search. This is likely a great accomplishment (or maybe Google is burning money at a rate unheard of before). But Frontier capability: they have never been in the race.

This is sad, since they had everything necessary to be on or beyond the frontier.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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It’s rather amusing to me to read comments like this, and then simultaneously whenever a Chinese company or team releases open-weight models or whatever there is a giant round of applause, America is so behind, and there’s nothing but positive things to say about the intelligent, creative, and well-intentioned Chinese engineers (which is true, America certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on great people). Don’t you know…

Of the two competing models Meta compare Glimmer to in the post, one is Google's Gemma 4. At this size open weight model, a Western company was already state of the art, Meta is joining that competition. And my memory is that Gemma 4 got little criticism or doom/gloom. And no, it isn't Chinese.

Likewise the Inkling open weights announcement, Thinking Machines model, was also not criticised.

The comment about Meta is because of particular dislike of Meta, because of their business model, and how harmful they've ultimately turned out to be for the world - disproportionately so relative to their benefits to the world, compared to other big tech companies.

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