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What I learned selling 2,500 MIDI recorders: Hardware is not so hard

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Re: What I learned selling 2,500 MIDI recorders: Hardware is not so hard

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Assuming this is just standard 2.0 speeds, it should be nothing. It adds a slightly more expensive connector and 2 resistors… and that’s it.

It is likely to be 1.1 speeds, and considering that USB-B connectors are chunky and dying out it is likely going to be cheaper to go for USB-C. USB-C connectors from well-known brands start at less than $0.20, USB-B ones are $0.30. Same story for the low-end: C can be found for as little as $0.011, B starts at $0.05. Resistors are basically free - about a cent a piece if you splurge, more like $0.0007 if you really p…

> It is likely to be 1.1 speeds, and considering that USB-B connectors are chunky and dying out it is likely going to be cheaper to go for USB-C.

USB 2.0 is a superset of 1.1 spec and considered inclusive of 1.1 speeds. I said 2.0 speeds specifically because Type C does not even recognize “USB 1.1” as a speed, and when you go to 3.0+ you start to put other constraints on routing and most importantly requirements on the cable (it needs to be emarked if it supports super speed).

The rest of your comment, totally agree. Especially with EU mandating power be USB-C if possible, which this easily could be.

Re: What I learned selling 2,500 MIDI recorders: Hardware is not so hard

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was it easier than when you took an open source repo https://pub.dev/packages/flutter_blue and renamed it to plus https://pub.dev/packages/flutter_blue_plus to charge $3,000 to use it commercially?

was that another life goal?

which was more profitable?

how has https://pub.dev/packages/universal_ble affected your sales since the open source community revolted?

Re: What I learned selling 2,500 MIDI recorders: Hardware is not so hard

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I can't wait for ASIC manufacturing to become as easy as ordering a PCB.

We’re at approximately where PCB pricing was 20 years ago, which _is_ a big deal: https://wafer.space

Still a few orders-of-magnitude off, though.

Hobbyist electronics manufacturing has always been reasonably affordable, with the old perfboard / stripboard from RadioShack having been a staple of the hobby since forever. At-home etching was also available for the people who cared more about having cool PCBs than about having healthy lungs.

The availability of cheap factory-made low-volume PCBs goes hand-in-hand with the switch towards smaller and smaller SMD parts. You don't need a professional PCB for a few THT parts, and you can always put the odd SOT part on a breakout or dead-bug solder it. But when many interesting parts started to become available only in QFN/DFN (or worse: BGA) packages, proper PCBs became the only option. Combine that with PCB factories wanting to make a few extra bucks off of their wasted board space, and it is suddenly quite attractive to hack together a quick-and-dirty ordering page for hobbyists and prototypes. No new technology needed, just a new market waiting to be served.

$4 / die custom chips are indeed very attractive, but the $4000 MOQ is not. A high-school or college student just getting into electronics can afford spending $100 on a hobby project just to discover it is broken, but there is no way they can afford spending "used car" money on it. That's startup territory, or "retired Bay Area engineer" territory.

Unfortunately they still run into the same basic economic problems: a wafer might be only $1000, but a set of masks is closer to $100k. This means you want to maximize the number of wafers, with ideally each wafer only containing a single copy of each chip. But even if you assume they just fill a reticle to the absolute maximum with unique chips (let's call it 40 unique designs) and fit, say, only 25 copies on a wafer, that's still only 40 wafers, so $2500/wafer in one-off costs - completely dwarfing the actual wafer itself.

For hobbyists you want a process closer to $10k / wafer with zero mask costs. Fit the same 1000 chips on there as before, and you can now sell people 5 copies of their chip for $50. That's a completely different game!

Re: What I learned selling 2,500 MIDI recorders: Hardware is not so hard

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It still boggles my mind than such limits are a problem. Sure, a game with graphics and sound could easily burn past that. But for a “boring” ride hailing app, it’s still beyond my imagination. Microsoft Word was something like 8-10MB in the Windows 3.1 days. WordPerfect was about the same and even had a grammar checker. The entire damn PC with DOS, Windows, and Word was 30MB. We’ve fallen so far, we mistake the dark…

With more RAM, Storage and Compute everyone just got super lazy. We're at the point now that everything is written in some sort of javascript, with a JIT compiler and JS engine...

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Re: What I learned selling 2,500 MIDI recorders: Hardware is not so hard

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Of course there’s no actual official ‘china export’ mark and that is just what some Chinese factories were claiming when they were caught slapping a (accidentally mis-spaced) CE conformance mark on their products! The EC made a statement on this back in 2008 [1] so everyone knows what game they are playing. 1. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-6-2007-5938-...

Notably, that link does not repeat that "some Chinese factories were claiming...". It just states that some people put it on noncompliant products. It is unclear whether any Chinese factories ever made that claim.

we really should have trademarked that one or something https://www.eleconomista.es/retail-consumo/noticias/12360919...

Re: What I learned selling 2,500 MIDI recorders: Hardware is not so hard

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In the EU (and UK with UKCA), CE certification is down to whoever makes the product available on the market. There's no get out for pre-certified modules. If you put a pre-certified module in a box and sell it, you have to be responsible for the CE mark. You need evidence that the whole product complies with the EMC regulations. There's some judgement involved - if you put a certified circuit board in a plastic box,…

No, you actually don't have to do the testing, except in some special circumstances (e.g. childrens' toys). Generally, the "CE" mark is a self-certification done by the manufacturer or importer that certifies that the product meets certain (category-specific) criteria. You can do the proper thing, test your product and then certify it. But it is also possible and usually legal to just issue the certificate based on a…

Products for children, medical equipment and all things with a radio (nfc, Bluetooth, mobile radios, WiFi +++) requires an external accredited lab.

You can test electronics without a radio yourself, but it requires a very extensive lab. Few companies can do this. But you can save money by using a non accredited lab.

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