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Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Post by kmeisthax »

Zigurd wrote: post #100

Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

While I agree that OpenAI is run by thieves, you can't tell me that Apple wouldn't have tried the same shit on a more scrupulous attempt at building a platform competitor?

Like, this is the same Apple that tried to tell a judge "a touch is a zero-length swipe" when suing the shit out of Android vendors, right? In their eyes, all the competition was supposed to stick with styluses and Windows Mobile 6.x.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

elicash wrote: post #198
fisf wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's overly dramatic. At this point, the assumption would be that they are a non-party witness. So, beyond not destroying any potential evidence, you might as well tell them to shove it.

It is not overly dramatic to suggest getting a letter like this is INCREDIBLY scary.

Seems kinds dramatic. Legal holds are common in my industry, not really a big deal. Most of my senior colleagues have been deposed or testified. Stressful but shouldn't be scary unless you did something criminal

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Post by ironman1478 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #269
ironman1478 wrote: post #260

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Ferrari tends to sell well, partially due to allocation requirements so you have to factor that in. There will be a market for the car, but Ferrari is a mix of a car company, a lifestyle brand, and a jewelery company. The Luce doesn't really fit the image they've cultivated and is not distinctive enough from the rest of the market. It's almost too pedestrian. The inside is nice, but you can't flex on others with a ni…

> allocation requirements If I am understanding you correctly, it seems the Luce does not factor in to that equation. There are no requirements for anyone to buy a Luce in order to unlock the privilege of buying higher tier models.

I actually didn't know that. If not, then cool!

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Post by asadotzler »

elicash wrote: post #198
fisf wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's overly dramatic. At this point, the assumption would be that they are a non-party witness. So, beyond not destroying any potential evidence, you might as well tell them to shove it.

It is not overly dramatic to suggest getting a letter like this is INCREDIBLY scary.

It's not scary. I received one of these letters for the DOJ vs Microsoft trial while working at Netscape and it was less scary opening it than the email from my cube mate titled "you won't believe it."

The lawyers told us ahead of time we'd be getting the letters. They told us what we needed to preserve and what we could comfortably trash. There was never any follow-up or specific requests for what I had on my machines. That was that.

The idea that getting a legal request is scary is silly. We were employees getting employee guidance from our employer on what to do at every step of the way. We weren't individuals fending for ourselves, wondering about getting something wrong, being taken in for questioning. We were doing what we always do, work hard and listen to the company lawyers if they have something to say.

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Post by 8note »

dgellow wrote: post #249
vlark wrote: post #244

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I tend to agree with this sentiment. I'm not in the tech sector. As an outsider, it seems to me that OpenAI and Anthropic are chasing government and the defense industry as their main clients. Google and Microsoft are chasing business clients and educational institutions. Amazon and Apple are chasing consumers.

Isn’t Anthropic literally flagged as a supply chain threat?

in the US only insofar as they wont let claude decide who to kill.

from a non-US perspective yes, but so are the rest of the major providers

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Post by 8note »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #143
Ylpertnodi wrote: post #124

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Eu person: neither. We'd rather have the Chinese.

Yeah, I feel like given two bad choices the EU’s tendency would be to go with a third, worse option.

the US is looking to break up the EU and is sending its rich people to make riots and violence.

choosing chinese seems like a shoo in for better operators

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Post by 8note »

lowmagnet wrote: post #28
pembrook wrote: post #15

I’m a huge fan of Apple but this kind of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless of whether OpenAI poached some of their talent or is the one in the wrong, Apple has such a massively dominant hardware business (some might say monopoly level in some areas) that for them to be publicly acknowledging how scared they are of OpenAI…it’s just…pathetic. They’re a $5T company and can’t muster up the motivation to ge…

In what case is apple a monopoly?

app store

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Post by illliillll »

fsflover wrote: post #155
Danox wrote: post #148

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That would describe mankind as a whole… The cars that I’ve driven since 18, My contribution to the plastic problem over the years, etc.

The difference is Apple intentionally chose unrepairable design, despite much smaller companies offer repairable earplugs (See: PineBuds Pro).

Approximately no one ever breaks their AirPods, so the amount of waste eliminated through better repairability would almost certainly be non-existent.

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Post by watwut »

samatman wrote: post #234
im3w1l wrote: post #213

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Doesn't that mean that if you have a slam dunk case you can get a super expensive lawyer just to run up costs as much as possible? Hell, could you ask your friend to be your legal representative and have him charge you a gorillion dollar in legal fees? Then when you win you split the loot?

It does, and it absolutely has a chilling effect in countries which don't do things this way. Sue someone who can spend millions of pounds (for the sake of argument) on defence? Better be certain you can win... against someone who can spend millions of pounds, and probably went to the same public school as the judge. In America, legal fees can be awarded as additional damages. We should do it more than we do. But giv…

You are making stuff up. You wont get paid arbitrary large fees, but the amount of fees usually paid for similar case.

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Post by senordevnyc »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94
rancar2 wrote: post #20

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Oh the irony if Apple can get a larger OpenAI stake than Microsoft.

I don’t think Cupertino will settle for stock. I think they’ll demand cash and an agreement that OpenAI abandon or reboot their hardware project. In the meantime, Apple gets an open kimono into everything OpenAI has planned. This could actually be the fuckup that kills OpenAI as an independent company. The threat of a cash judgement gums up not only an IPO, but also debt-based fundraising. (We equity guys are idiots,…

This take seems wildly disconnected from reality.

My prediction: this will result in a relatively modest undisclosed settlement and OpenAI won’t abandon, or even modify, their hardware product because of this. And Apple definitely won’t get an “open kimono” to everything OpenAI has planned.

This is two of the largest, most powerful, most well-capitalized companies on the planet in a legal fight. People are taking sides because of their hatred of Sama, and it results in these bizarro takes that OpenAI is finished as a company lol.

Guess we’ll see.

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