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Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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Foreigner from the socialist Nordics here, so perhaps I'm brain washed or something, but I don't get it. After some brief Googling it appears that you mean they have proposed a tax on a service that for some reason used to be tax-exempt. Why was it tax-exempt? Why should it be? What sets it apart from any other service where you pay someone to do something for you - such as cook you a meal, transport you somewhere or…

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Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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But if we fixed it, that might help people who can't afford the ride otherwise. And we cannot have that. --- Says far too many people, always.

But do they really? Can you point a real, evil villain saying that?

Here you go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48857068

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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> The standard answer is greed: rapacious ambulance operators, owned by villainous private equity firms, exploit patients at their most helpless. But I don’t think that’s actually what’s going on. Ambulance providers are chronically unprofitable businesses; margins are thin, crews are underpaid, and operators exit the industry every year. The author does not understand how private equity extracts money. The high-liab…

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Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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I don't think the question is "Should ambulances be a thing?" though. It's a question of "Should someone in a situation where they need an ambulance have to balance the potentially life-threatening impact of saying no versus the potentially financially ruinous impact of saying yes?" The (fairly obvious) answer to that no one should be in that situation. It's horrible. Society should find a better way to pay for ambul…

Is this the common cost or is this an outlier blog story that hit it off. Talk real data to me. I don't get excited about any individual anecdote (unless it's me personally of course). No people shouldn't be bankrupted for a short cab ride that's not needed. I'm not arguing that.

Well over a decade ago, it was $6500 for a couple mile ride to the nearest hospital, no emergency medical care necessary (just supervision). This was in the Bay Area, in California.

I can’t imagine it’s gotten cheaper.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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I had an accident where I had a concussion and other injuries that put me in a lot of, and the people I was with called an ambulance for me, and I wasn't really in a state to decline, but if I had been, and knew how much it would cost, I would have. The ambulance ride was, of course, out of network. As were some of the doctors that treated me once I got to the hospital. It was the first time I dealt with a major medi…

Treating medical care like this, similar to a racketeering scheme, should not be a thing anywhere. Instead of punishing people for seeking medical care (or plainly requiring it), it would be preferable to have a robust protocol for rejecting patients that do not require care, whether at the hospital or before the ambulance ride. For this, people would need to want medical care be a humanitarian right and basic pillar…

Should == I wish.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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The physician can mandate ambulance transfer.

Really? Where I live a patient is always able to refuse any medical procedure or treatment, unless they’re unconscious or otherwise mentally unable and the procedure is considered necessary to save their life. They certainly can opt for a non-ambulance transfer, though here it would be free even though a regular ambulance service typically isn’t. Consent for treatment is a core principle of medical practice.

I think the idea is that if it's mandated, then the ambulance should be covered by some kind of insurance since it was medically necessary and not just Ol' Bob, the hypochondriac, calling because his tin foil hat fell off.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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He refused to go in an ambulance the first time. He could have refused the second ride. You can refuse transport or medical care at any time as long as you are able to make rational decisions. As an EMT if you're A&Ox4, alert to time, place, person and event, you make the choices. You do sign a release so we have proof we didn't abandon you, but you make the choice. If we move you without your approval, it's kidnappi…

I had an accident where I had a concussion and other injuries that put me in a lot of, and the people I was with called an ambulance for me, and I wasn't really in a state to decline, but if I had been, and knew how much it would cost, I would have. The ambulance ride was, of course, out of network. As were some of the doctors that treated me once I got to the hospital. It was the first time I dealt with a major medi…

Being concussed should count as not being fully aware. And making someone pay something that he was made to accept while not fully aware should be denounced as a scam.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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As much as I like articles that tries to use economics or finance to explain stuff, the "options" analogy is a bit hamfisted. The article starts off by noting about how ambulance is an "option" for a rescue, but even though the analogy might vaguely work, it's not really needed to answer the question. That can be answered far more simply: "medicare and insurance companies pay them too little, so they have to charge e…

> The average ambulance transport costs $2,673 to provide I think this ignores the 400 pound gorilla in the room. Why does an ambulance transport cost thousands for the operator? This is a short trip in an automobile, essentially a fancy uber ride. At first one might say that's flippant - obviously ambulances are specialized vehicles, and you have paramedics, and they need to get to locations quickly, and so forth, b…

The ambulance operator also gets stuck with the costs of all the ambulance rides which are never paid for - which is, statistically most - because of things like homeless folks, people giving false names, etc.

Which, notably, are so common, because it is financially ruinous to not do it.

They can’t decline transport for anyone with an emergency, regardless of ability to pay.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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I live in Poland and despite being Europe from what I understand they don't have socialized healthcare. You need to buy insurance from the government, or private (I have both). If you don't have it, you don't have a right to healthcare. Then, if you go to public doctors or hospital you still have to wait months for an exam or years for surgery. BUT, I've never heard of anyone going bankrupt from getting sick, or bein…

That’s not exactly right. You are eligible, you just need to do something to get it. Ie if you register as unemployed, you will get insurance. Same with university students.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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Don’t they need to sign something legally binding, the moment they adjust even one minor internal part?

I'm not going to claim that elevator malpractice isn't possible, but no elevator is designed with a single point of failure for any safety critical system, so I don't think it's easy or likely to make a mistake that would cause a safety issue.

A qualified elevator technician can definitely make an elevator fail dangerously spectacularly.

They wouldn’t be qualified if they couldn’t.

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