Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig

Post by asa400 » Sun, Jul 12, 2026, 7:19 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #262

asa400 wrote: post #201

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I've been using Rust in anger since ~2018 and I guess I've had completely different experience, especially compared to what I was mostly doing before, which was Scala. Scala (the v2 series, I haven't used v3 at all) was, to a first approximation, a language of, by, and for graduate students in language research that accidentally escaped the lab and briefly took over the data engineering space. Multiple competing cate…

Rust is becoming the chosen language for those that would have previously used Haskell, OCaml, Scala, but now get to use something with more mainstream mindshare. It isn't very hard to find folks misusing unsafe to mean something else other than memory safety, or their own ZIO like frameworks.

Post by steveklabnik » Sun, Jul 12, 2026, 7:30 PM UTC

Zambyte wrote: post #270

steveklabnik wrote: post #267

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I’m curious: how did you get that link to the Rust reference? It’s to a five and a half year old version.

Oops, I found it here: https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/reference/#rust-releases I just assumed it was a stable link to the version being read (in this case, the latest stable version).

Post by fragmede » Sun, Jul 12, 2026, 9:44 PM UTC

jcgl wrote: post #155

sgarland wrote: post #20

This is the only statement I disagree with: > PowerShell gets a lot right with structured data. CLI programs should operate on text. If you want to parse and format it, do so, but the default output mode should be plain text, so that I can pipe it into grep or awk without a second thought. I am continuously irritated that the AWS CLI defaults to outputting in JSON. No one (I hope…) is using that tool in programs; tha…

I think you're mistaking text-with-structured data for structured data itself. Because unix shell is irrevocably text-oriented, kludging in something like JSON is basically the best that can be done when you start to want to do structured operations on structured data. (I'm sympathetic to your point about the AWS CLI tools doing JSON by default though--that just sounds like bad design.) Being text-oriented imposes dr…

Post by busterarm » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:39 PM UTC

Klonoar wrote: post #274

busterarm wrote: post #220

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there's plenty of Rust posts to talk about Rust. I come to an OpenBSD post to talk about OpenBSD. Rust isn't even really tangentially related.

Then do it in the litany of comment sub-threads and stop complaining about one that's a Rust tangent. Welcome to forums, we've been using them for a few decades now.

Post by asa400 » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 8:49 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #272

asa400 wrote: post #271

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Not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. Can you rephrase?

Easy, some folks write Haskell or Scala in Rust, because it allows them to reach a wider mindshare. So they write their monadic and effects frameworks in Rust instead, and use unsafe to mark methods that might be dangerous, regardless of related to possible memory corruption or not.