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Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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just wait for Microsoft to productize and commoditize employee tracking - see the CEO's recent "learning loops" idea - what could possibly go wrong?

To be honest, I’m not worried about work doing this to me. But when the government MANDATES this for all citizens, I’m ditching computers and going strictly pen and paper

Not using surveillable tooling will be a felony by then.

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> You know how I found this link? Googling WhatsApp encryption backdoor. You could have too. No need for the attitude. Op asked you for a source, which is customary for one to back up their initial claim; an onus on you and not for someone else to validate your claims.

All I asked for was specific examples while acknowledging what I hated about the platforms progression.

I'm not sure why you're replying to me, my comment was for the person I replied to and whom I quoted (inigyou)

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All I asked for was specific examples while acknowledging what I hated about the platforms progression.

I'm not sure why you're replying to me, my comment was for the person I replied to and whom I quoted (inigyou)

My guess is that this person is using multiple HN accounts and is getting them mixed up.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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I'm not sure why you're replying to me, my comment was for the person I replied to and whom I quoted (inigyou)

My guess is that this person is using multiple HN accounts and is getting them mixed up.

Had a similar thought, very messy conversation.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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My guess is that this person is using multiple HN accounts and is getting them mixed up.

Had a similar thought, very messy conversation.

Nope, just got confused who was replying to who in this thread while loading site from mobile.

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What are these "thoughtful" frontier labs you speak of? I see Meta folks going to the big ones all the time. Ton of former PyTorch/Inductor folks now are at Ant/TM etc. Everyone I know in the GPU compiler/GPGPU space seems to be either going to meta or leaving meta for NV or some AI lab. My anecdotal observations don't align with "bin meta applicants straight to the trash."

Yea I was going to ask the same question about "thoughtful frontier labs". Not sure that's really a thing unless we're talking about being thoughtful of accumulating wealth and power for a small handful of people.

I have to assume "thoughtful frontier labs" is either a pretty small lab, or a place holder for a lab that doesn't exist. So many of these anti-meta posts come off as based entirely in the feelings of opinionated techies rather than actual reality.

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I reject the idea that a person who doesn't do literally everything they can to improve the world is the same as one who actively makes it worse.

No. It's not not doing everything, it's not doing even the easiest thing. You don't get to hide behind "investing" just because there are some intermediaries to move money for you. You are actively gaining a profit from Meta and investing for the long term, meaning you don't even need the money for 10+ years. That's way worse than someone contributing labor to do some work in exchange for pay now. In fact you are pay…

> It's not not doing everything

Yes, it actually is, because your argument can be applied to every moral question. Why aren't you taking a short position in Meta when Meta is an evil company? Why are you drinking a coffee while a kid in Africa is starving? Why aren't you standing by the lake if a kid could be drowning?

People can't be expected to do literally every single thing that would make a positive impact. But they absolutely can be expected not to actively do evil.

> In fact you are paying their salary

I don't hold any investments in Meta, direct or indirect.

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> donate 6-figures to charity, which while very commendable, flies in the face of the idea of being 'stuck'. Have you considered that the harm of the loss of 6 figures can completely destroy local charities? This quickly devolves into effective altruism and the problems that come with that but it’s very easy to end up in a situation where you think the net good you bring by keeping a local abused women shelter open f…

I don't care to dive into imaginary philosophical debates. I'm responding to the person in this thread saying, "I'm stuck" while clearly being financially well-off.

That person said they donated 6 figures to a charity

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> Work at Anduril as long as it makes that bread, etc. You don’t work at Anduril to make bread, at least not as a software engineer. It’s a long hours startup with worse pay than FAANG in high CoL areas. The people that work there fundamentally believe in “improving the defense of the west”. It is the private sector equivalent of joining the military. If you want to bag on people in the military, go ahead. But they a…

> It is the private sector equivalent of joining the military. If the motivation is 'improving the defence of the west', it's more equivalent to joining a fringe paramilitary organisation; the dogwhistle is clear.

They are an extension of the US military. Their weapons do what the US decides. Anduril does not offer military services like blackwater or whatever.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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To be honest, I’m not worried about work doing this to me. But when the government MANDATES this for all citizens, I’m ditching computers and going strictly pen and paper

Not using surveillable tooling will be a felony by then.

> By sitting in the alcove, and keeping well back, Winston was able to remain outside the range of the telescreen, so far as sight went
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