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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
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I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Apartheid-era South African government was a nightmare, but didn't engage in mass murder (or, uh, "collateral damage") on an Israeli scale. Actually a few orders of magnitude separate them. That slaughter is worse than discrimination should be obvious. If you discriminate against somebody you harm their dignity and you narrow their future p…
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> they can then just go and progrom all the Jews in Israel If that's really Iran's intent, how do you explain that ~10,000 Jews live peacefully in Iran?
When there used to be a community of 100k Jews in Iran? In other words more than 90% driven out after the revolution? Prominent Jewish figures and businessmen - most notably Habib Elghanian - were arrested on fabricated charges of espionage and were executed. Community members were forced to closely monitor their actions and maintain a quiet public presence. Down to 10% in 50 years - and in hiding basically - that's…
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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
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More than 14,500 children were killed by Israel in that period. 14,500 / 154 = more than 94 children per resolution. Seems fair. How many children did "Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Russia, China combined " kill in this period, I hear you whatabout: Highest reasonable estimates are ~5,000–10,000 children. ... So, no. I don't think it's unfair. Now let's compare how many sanctions have been inflicted on each country above…
Again, children got killed because their school was used as a ground base to fire rockets from. Do you expect Israelis to allow Hamas rockets to fall in Israeli schools? That's not a reasonable expectation. The choice hamas forces israel to make is cruel and inhuman, that is direct consequence of their radical islamic belief of martirdom. They do not see death like the same way as the west. To them (and I'm not talki…
> children got killed because their school was used as a ground base to fire rockets from.
I don't really know how to talk to people who think killing children - by the tens of thousands - is ever justified, but maybe this will help you: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t-mMt3c3ngQ
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
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Yemen and Sudan aren't doing this with our support, and while wagging their finger at us to better support them in their crimes against humanity.
Calling that out at all isn't "only criticizing Israel". That framing suggests wanting the crimes to continue. In that case, from what position would you think you could wag your finger from?
It's also not anti-Israel to be pro-human-rights and pro-accountability. Just like it's not anti-American to be against the Trump admin, or anti-China to be against the CCP, and so on.
The above really aren't complex things, they're not even the baseline, they're part of the baseline. You absolutely have to be this tall to ride, and if you aren't, your insults of others, such as calling them racists, are likewise worthless. If you just have the same 3 lines regardless of input, you're being an NPC, some persistent flavor animation in the background, and we can just turn down the render distance for those to 0. Feel free to actually log in and participate anytime.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
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Deaths should not fall randomly across the population unless you’re committing war crimes.
Deaths in Gaza are very much not random. Adult men have the highest casualties which is what would be expected since Hamas militants are most often adult men, it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well.
> Adult men have the highest casualties
And 30% of casualties are children. The two are not mutually exclusive and this is the data point currently under scrutiny.
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Deaths should not fall randomly across the population unless you’re committing war crimes.
I agree, however the claim is not war crimes, its genocide. People think that using genocide to simply mean lots of killing and destruction and war makes them morally superior, but genocide entails "intent" and we need a vocabulary to differentiate between the two.
Overall, intent is quite hard to prove. You would need to access internal documents and communications that explicitly direct the military. That's probably not going to happen.
However, from what I have observed, Israeli government officials have often expresses that intent publicly, despite claiming otherwise at the UN.
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I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Apartheid-era South African government was a nightmare, but didn't engage in mass murder (or, uh, "collateral damage") on an Israeli scale. Actually a few orders of magnitude separate them. That slaughter is worse than discrimination should be obvious. If you discriminate against somebody you harm their dignity and you narrow their future p…
> I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did.
Nelson Mandela's grandson agrees.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mandelas-grandson-...
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I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Apartheid-era South African government was a nightmare, but didn't engage in mass murder (or, uh, "collateral damage") on an Israeli scale. Actually a few orders of magnitude separate them. That slaughter is worse than discrimination should be obvious. If you discriminate against somebody you harm their dignity and you narrow their future p…
South Africa wasn’t at war, and the two situations have nothing in common.
Life expectancy in Gaza before Oct 7 was 75.5 years. Life expectancy in South Africa today is 65.5 years.
South Africa with its incompetence has done worse than Israel with its “apartheid”.