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Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

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Post by handoflixue »

calgoo wrote: post #220
evilduck wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also build systems that require secondary approvals without needing approval escalation up the chain. Creeping on women is a lot less likely if you need a peer or even a subordinate to review what you're doing.

They will just find some other creepy friend that will sign off without looking, in exchange for them getting the same treatment. It needs to go to a different system, with different priorities, but even then we know of corrupt judges rubber stamping warrants. Why dont we have a AI verify that each search is tied to a real case, and if its not block their access and they now have to go before a judge to explain why t…

You could easily just do both - peer review gives you immediate access, then a supervisor audits it on a slightly slower time scale. Make anyone who signed off on access an accomplice to the crime so that peers and supervisors have an incentive not to rubber-stamp everything

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Post by xigoi »

ceejayoz wrote: post #251
lukan wrote: post #242

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"Don't talk to the police, without your attorney present, under any circumstances whatsoever." Oh but I did. Multiple times, without a lawyer ever, how shocking: "Hey, my bicycle was stolen, I need to file it so I get insurance payout" "Hey, this demonstration and the roadblock of yours for guarding it, will it be around for much longer?" "Hey, nice weather, isn't it?" (Misdirecting small talk, while they were search…

> I also don't live in the US “Don’t talk to the cops” is not global advice. In some countries it harms your defense in court. In others it gets you beaten. Most times you hear it it’s an American talking to Americans.

> “Don’t talk to the cops” is not global advice.

I’ve seen the advice several times on HN (a global site) and it never claimed to be USA-only.

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Post by xigoi »

M95D wrote: post #225
tptacek wrote: post #182

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This is an extremely online belief. Oak Park, IL, the inner-ring suburb of Chicago where I live, is almost certainly one of the 10 most progressive and left-leaning municipalities in the country. Oak Parkers (not me) have the opposite concern: we're below our threshold number of sworn officers, and desperate to add more. The median Oak Parker has very positive views of the police (and also all the standard progressiv…

Don't talk to the police - advice given to university students by a lawyer and then by a cop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE If this isn't trustworthy, I don't know what is.

If all cops are evil, why would you take advice from a cop?

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Post by xigoi »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #231
arjie wrote: post #30

Ultimately, there’s a sort of homeostasis in people’s tolerance for crime. If you need video evidence for prosecution, those who want it prosecuted will produce video cameras. If you make warrants impossible to produce in a timely manner, the camera search will be warrant exempted. Attempts to damage state power to ensure crime isn’t prosecuted will be likely met with methods that are immune to them. Given the constr…

> If you need video evidence for prosecution, those who want it prosecuted will produce video cameras. If you make warrants impossible to produce in a timely manner, the camera search will be warrant exempted. That's the legislator's fallacy. "Something must be done, this is something, therefore we must do this." Suppose you address the problem in other ways, e.g. improve the economy and reduce poverty so there is le…

> Suppose you address the problem in other ways, e.g. improve the economy and reduce poverty so there is less crime

The idea that reducing poverty will entirely eliminate crime is laughable.

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Post by ceejayoz »

xigoi wrote: post #272
ceejayoz wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also don't live in the US “Don’t talk to the cops” is not global advice. In some countries it harms your defense in court. In others it gets you beaten. Most times you hear it it’s an American talking to Americans.

> “Don’t talk to the cops” is not global advice. I’ve seen the advice several times on HN (a global site) and it never claimed to be USA-only.

You'll find HN is very frequently US-centric, yes.

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Post by Hikikomori »

mapotofu wrote: post #266
Hikikomori wrote: post #263

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Meth and amphetamine are very different drugs, but a bootlicker wouldn't know the difference. She could also have been spiked and left to die by the cop, can't really know without a proper investigation, which the police never subject themselves to.

Her source of trust was instagram. The cop’s instagram led her to travel to Arizona and be with him. She was convinced by his instagram that she agreed to do all of this. That’s really dumb and it’s what you get playing stupid games with strangers on the internet.

What is this nonsense. Instagram isn't an entity like that, she talked to a cop over a messaging service.

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Post by xigoi »

conception wrote: post #74
wil421 wrote: post #71

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Yes. Prior to flock, my city trialed LPRs attached to the local power company’s poles. In the first month, they recovered more stolen cars than any prior years total recoveries. I’ve got mixed feelings about Flock, LPRs, and what it allows people and governments to do. I’m 100% sold on the results.

Imagine if the police had the names and faces of every marcher in every protest. They too would be (are) 100% sold on the results.

Why would you go to a protest if you don’t want people to know that you are there?

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Post by ckrusk »

connort459 wrote: post #45

The fact police can go in and just look at camera footage without warrant proves your point precisely, officers have used it to stalk family members, etc.

Is this much different than a doctor/sw/nurse/admin looking up patient records? I know that doctors are not the government, so no 4th amendment rights, but folks in the medical community have the basically the same level of access to much more sensitive information.

also, since there has been a lot of talk of warrantless searches, 4th a, etc.... is there an expectation to privacy when out in public when one would be captured on a flock camera? like red light cameras already exist and some non-sworn pd admin is looking through your file to send you a ticket...

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