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Post by Gud »

AngryData wrote: post #223
lastofthemojito wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also (according to some in Congress) an illegal action as Congress authorized and funded the project: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/lawmakers-fight-to-stop... But that just seems like par for the course for the current administration, whether it's tariffs or ballrooms or ocean sensors - do the illegal thing ASAP, let the courts argue for months or years, and maaaaaybe get a slap on the wrist sometime way…

Congress isn't toothless so I just don't see how I can believe anything but that the majority of congress, whether they claim opposition or not, is onboard with this nonsense. They are completely out of touch and it seems like they are just playing a game of PR hot potato to avoid taking any real action.

Out of touch with whom? Not with the people who put them there.

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Post by Gud »

pesus wrote: post #60
hdgvhicv wrote: post #41

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It’s nothing to do with money, that’s always the libertarian excuse, and HN laps it up far more than the rest of the word.

Whatever delusions I once held that software engineers are above average intelligence were completely eradicated by seeing how many HN commenters eagerly bought into the obvious lies about DOGE and their goals (amongst other things). It was embarrassing. They sure seem to be a lot quieter about that now, though.

hackers used to be a large percentage of software engineers and are indeed intelligent people with an open mind.

However since ~2005 their percentage of the total has gone from ~25% to <1% as computers became less of a hobby and a way to make money.

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Post by Hikikomori »

Jtsummers wrote: post #265
Hikikomori wrote: post #211

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What is the argument then?

I think you read a "not" in my comment that wasn't there, I'm agreeing with you about what the person you responded to seemed to be arguing for (stop the science because it's not good enough). Which is, as Supermancho points out, nonsense.

Oh yeah I totally did.

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Post by Hikikomori »

Supermancho wrote: post #260
Hikikomori wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the argument then?

If science can't explain some part of how a system works, science cant make predictions about that system. It's nonsense.

Science makes predictions that turn out to be true on incomplete theories and systems all the time. Even if we're missing causes for sinks we can make predictions on what happens when there's more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere as the effect of them are well understood.

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

xg15 wrote: post #73
waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.

You can read the profiles of people who run in the circles of those who have decision-making powers.

Take for example the Wikipedia article for Liz Peek[1]:

> Peek spent more than 20 years on Wall Street as a research analyst focused on the oil industry. She began working for Wertheim & Company in 1975 and in 1983, was one of the first women to become partner at a Wall Street investment firm.

> Peek was the first woman elected president of the National Association of Petroleum Investment Analysts and was also a member of Institute of Chartered Financial Analysts.

> She has written for The Fiscal Times, Fox News, the New York Sun, The Wall Street Journal, Alternate Universe, the Motley Fool, and Women on the Web and has appeared on Fox Business with Neil Cavuto and Fox & Friends. Peek contributes opinion pieces to The Hill.

> Their son, Andrew Peek, studied at Princeton, Harvard, Johns Hopkins and the University of Texas at Austin, is a veteran of the US Army, and has worked for the Heritage Foundation and for two Republican US Senators and one Republican Congressman. He briefly served in each of the Trump administrations; as part of the State Department during Trump's first term, and as an advisor at the NSC during Trump's second term.

Just read her opinion pieces and you’ll experience her worldview firsthand, which I can only presume comes from a foolish sense of self-righteousness for making a career out of enabling and exacerbating the fossil fuel crisis. Don’t think she would be able to sleep at night if she actually gave a shit about even learning about the potential impacts of climate change.

And she’s a drop in the bucket - all of these people are like this.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Peek

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Post by panny »

Supermancho wrote: post #259
panny wrote: post #209

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It's the same order of magnitude as all cars on the road. Not such a big deal huh? Let me ask you this. Do you own a car? I don't. I take the train. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1185535/transport-carbon... Look at that, I'm the 1%. What are you doing personally about the climate? I bet you own an air conditioner too. I bet you don't carry 20-30 pounds of groceries a mile every two to three days, do you? https:…

> Look at that, I'm the 1%. What are you doing personally about the climate? Virtue signaling has nothing to do with the discussion.

It's not virtue signaling as I don't consider it a virtue. It's over politicized. I'm just pointing out that I do way more than any of you do without any alarmist screeching. I take the train because I like trains. Nice seethe and cope however.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48485177

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Post by red-iron-pine »

frogperson wrote: post #176
waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

The elected reps are captured by business interests. Citizens united means the best marketing team wins every election. The reps do not work for citizens, why would they? Voting has been nullified, democracy is dead.

US business interests are fine with the US funding science they can use

these are foreign interests, and it's 100% clear who is behind it.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

jackyinger wrote: post #157
wnevets wrote: post #119

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> reduce America's standing in the world. That is the goal.

A small price to pay to increase the standing of a select few. /s

the cyberpunk dystopia won't build itself

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Post by nearlyepic »

goatlover wrote: post #235
nearlyepic wrote: post #134

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The reason they do this is because they are, like many other people in this country, completely driven mad by religious fervor. It seems completely irrational because it is. Silicon Valley is filled with people, at the top echelons of the most valuable companies in the world, who genuinely believe they have invented divine intelligence by making a mathematical model of human speech. Utah is for all intents and purpos…

It's not the majority of us. Unfortunately too many people don't care and don't think elections matter so we've allowed an extremist minority to dominate, fueled by right-wing media propaganda. To be fair, the other party that matters has dropped the ball on too many occasions, or been complicit, so there's some reason for all the apathy. That plus winner-takes all elections leaves a lot of people feeling like their…

It’s not the majority, but it’s also not some tiny minority like you make it out to be. Half the country fought a war to protect slavery and we’ve never really reckoned with that. A lot of people are willing to ally with the crazies to get what they want, because they’re greedy. That’s the root of it.

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Post by RetroTechie »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #275
xg15 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.

You can read the profiles of people who run in the circles of those who have decision-making powers. Take for example the Wikipedia article for Liz Peek[1]: > Peek spent more than 20 years on Wall Street as a research analyst focused on the oil industry. She began working for Wertheim & Company in 1975 and in 1983, was one of the first women to become partner at a Wall Street investment firm. > Peek was the first wom…

I'm thinking..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_principle

Often phrased as "science progresses one funeral at a time"

..applies here. Each time a Big Oil executive or one of their conspirators eats it, green tech progresses.

They worked to build today's fossil-dependent world. 20-somethings work to build a world that does without fossils (and imho they're doing ok there).

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