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Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by anakaine »

drnick1 wrote: post #65
muse900 wrote: post #24

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Yes but not always applicable unfortunately… e.g. the other day I was in Italy, I needed to park on the publicly available parking which was paid to the municipality. No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free) I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though. So in that situation, I want nothing to d…

Can you not pay with cash or card anywhere? What if you don't have a "smart" phone? I would categorically refuse to park anywhere that requires running a proprietary app on my device. Fortunately, in the States at least, I have not encountered such a place yet.

Australia: some companies are app only

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by KennyBlanken »

echelon wrote: post #157
ivanjermakov wrote: post #50

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Have exactly the same situation with parking in Italy. Having a private company operating all paid parking on an island is not very healthy.

Having a handful of companies that can contact you has created a land of monopoly hyperscalers. It's so hard to build anything big and durable because they've created these steep gradients.

"They" didn't create them. They laid out the bait - free APIs to do all sorts of stuff, and lazy-ass programmers took the bait hook line and sinker without thinking through the consequences of everyone moving their sites into "the cloud." Or didn't care.

Lot of people need to look in the mirror on this one - from programmers to execs.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by ranger_danger »

gerdesj wrote: post #200
kay_o wrote: post #186

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in asia it is frequent that email domain is a dropdown not a type in

Asia is huge. Please be more explicit (if you can).

I have seen sites in both Japan and China limit signups to not only mobile-only provider-specific email domains, but also IP block everything but domestic mobile traffic as well.

Most of those services (mixi was one in particular I remember doing this) stopped this practice close to 20 years ago though, but some still remain.

I think it was partly due to the "Galapagos phone" era of pre-smartphones, where each carrier used slightly different mobile web standards (think WAP and custom emoji).

Here is a current help page for Mitsubishi UFJ bank that lists approved domains for both desktop and mobile use: https://faq.cr.mufg.jp/mufgcard/detail?id=4402

Here is a user complaining (with screenshot) that the mail magazine for tabelog only supports mobile provider email domains: https://king.mineo.jp/reports/13368

Another recent one is the login page for gravity.place has a dropdown for country codes (for mobile login) with only 6 options.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by ranger_danger »

wartijn_ wrote: post #86
LordDragonfang wrote: post #77

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If you mean "set up an equivalent service" under your own domain, that's both less private and more likely to be blocked; there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains.

Are there really? I don't think I've ever encountered such a service in all the years I've been using an email address under my own domain. And blocking every email address that's not from a big provider means blocking basically everyone who tries to sign up with their company email, which might not be great for business.

https://sys.4chan.org/signin has a short list of approved email domains:

> Allowed domains are: gmail.com, hotmail.com, yahoo.com, proton.me, protonmail.com, outlook.com, live.com, icloud.com, yandex.com, tutanota.com, tutamail.com, tuta.io

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by ranger_danger »

lukeify wrote: post #142
wartijn_ wrote: post #86

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Are there really? I don't think I've ever encountered such a service in all the years I've been using an email address under my own domain. And blocking every email address that's not from a big provider means blocking basically everyone who tries to sign up with their company email, which might not be great for business.

Within the last month both Mapbox and Etsy blocked my attempts to signup using a Proton Mail alias. How many services do you sign up for in recent years, on average? The practice is becoming incredibly common and more than likely you're just grandfathered in.

Etsy blocks my entire ISP (I know because my IP rotates almost daily) so I cannot even view their site at all, it just gives me a "you are blocked" page.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by drdexebtjl »

snark42 wrote: post #110
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #89

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Nah. I have hosted my domain for 17 years on google and then fastmail. The hosting is harder than private relay, although not too hard. But I have only had maybe 3 services ever reject my domain, and those were because the domain contains a number.

I've had some reject my e-mail address because it contains their company name. REI was one (ie it wouldn't allow rei@domain.com but would accept reicoop@domain.com)

I had my account marked as suspicious and closed in a financial institution for this a few years ago. They were concerned I was a bad actor attempting to impersonate an employee. It was very annoying, because no one from customer support could talk to me directly, it had to flow through legal. Very stupid.

I have since stopped doing this out of fear that it will actually cause me more headaches with people/systems that don't understand how email works.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by vanchor3 »

danpalmer wrote: post #252

Hide My Email is fundamentally broken in two major ways: 1. Services those emails are used with cannot unilaterally send email to them. They must pre-register how they will send email to them, which breaks services with third-party relationships such as online retail with payment processors or shipping companies. Users don't like not receiving shipping notifications, and users don't like not seeing invoices or at wor…

> Services those emails are used with cannot unilaterally send email to them. They must pre-register how they will send email to them, which breaks services with third-party relationships such as online retail with payment processors or shipping companies.

You're talking about "Sign in with Apple" email addresses here, not Hide My Email. Anyone can send to Hide My Email addresses.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by rafram »

technothrasher wrote: post #62
jjice wrote: post #27

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FWIW it's not a gmail thing for privacy, but rather just part of the email spec. RFC 5233 talks about it. https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5233/

It all dates back to the Andrew Messaging System at CMU, developed in the 1980's. Originally the format was " + + @example.net" where the mail server would interpret the keyword and arguments to route the message in whatever unique way that keyword would dictate (e.g. bob+dist+~/mailinglist@example.net would read the file mailinglist in Bob's home directory and deliver the email to addresses listed in it). If the key…

> bob+dist+~/mailinglist@example.net would read the file mailinglist in Bob's home directory and deliver the email to addresses listed in it

The days before security sure were quaint!

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by int_19h »

JoblessWonder wrote: post #161
trollbridge wrote: post #81

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It’s up to the app architect to make a way to make this work, and to stop using emails as anything other than a UUID type of token

So I guess the solution is just to begin to allow accounts to always register multiple emails? Although I guess the issue of multiple accounts is still going to exist if the users don't know the initial (private) email that they signed up with though unless there is a different unique ID that everyone will be able to remember. I'm curious (and not trolling by asking) what a solution might be since email has been used…

If you do require an email as an ID then yes, you absolutely should allow multiple emails per address if only so that the person can recover if they lose one of their mailboxes (similarly if you support hardware keys you should allow more than one).

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by rogual »

I have a cron script which configures a today-only email address in Postfix.

Mail sent to t20260617@foon.uk will reach me, but only for today.

So, any time I'm giving away my email address against my will, which is most of the time, they get to spam me for exactly one day.

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