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If someone gets rich because they provide an affordable useful service to millions then that is definitely progress. They should get rich.
And that is the difference in philosophy between the European and American mindset, and why America actually innovates.
Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
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They have been discussing that for years, but still nothing happened. At the rate of the bureaucracy it would take few more years to even draft the laws to ease GDPR
You are not up to date, this is already in legislation process and needs the vote of the parlaiment, highly likely it will come. There is also a simplification package and a migration pact. A lot is happening right now
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The U.S. Constitution is older than the current constitution of every EU member state and has remained continuously in force longer than any of them.
A country that is a thousand years old is obviously going to have to change its constitution. European countries have gone from massive societal changes to massive societal changes (for example from monarchies to republics). The USA is a new country, and its constitutional rigidity causes a lot of social and political problems that most likely will lead to big changes in the future. Yes, some countries in Europe rema…
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I've tried using Mistral for various tasks, and it is so far behind the American models that I just never bother using it despite still having lots of Mistral API credits leftover. Even their OCR and TTS products are surpassed by generic US models - I use regular Claude Sonnet for OCR because it is more accurate than Mistral OCR. I could rant about this, I am just so disappointed at how Mistral completely gave up and…
>Or they do understand and that's why they focus on consulting now. Cohere would like a word here
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> Heck, I hate street views disfigured by huge privacy blobs. Why should you - from the other side of the planet - have an unrestricted view into my front garden at your fingertips?
Why shouldn't I? Your garden is not of a particular interest to me. It's just one of millions of gardens that I might look at as a part of scenery, or to get my bearings if I happen to be in the area. You'd be better off fighting street views in general, unless you are OK with the Streisand effect.
They why on earth do you care?
Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#276We do. But only for a limited context space, plant images. We do train our own Foundation Model, and it works great. It's the world frontier model. The machine is expensive, yes, but the customers also pay a lot to get it's advantages. And we got the H100`s on ebay. We also have buerocracy and regulations problems, but not with the AI at all. Only with the military civil dual-use restriction of thermal cameras. The o…
Where can I get more info on the model, would love to read up about it
Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#277What is this whole thing about Europe being behind on AI? Do Mistral and DeepL not exist? Yes, I know DeepL is niche, but IMHO it is the best translation model out there.
It is behind in the sense that if tomorrow the US and China place an export ban on their models all we're left with are Mistral's ones. They are not bad, and they have made huge progress, but you're still one year behind if not more. May matter less and less as time progresses, or it may matter more if research further speeds up. Honestly I wish capitalism and globalization kept working as they did for decades, but s…
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And what, they couldn't split the jobs 50/50 in any meaningful way so that everyone was happy? Dunno, you can let the french design and the germans build or something.
That's how you get something like Ariane 6 -- engineered to satisfy political constraints rather that to be competitive. Granted, NASA or to some extent the US military have the same problem.
The US military has a few companies that it can work with to produce what it needs, so they are not necessarily tied to "we need to build a plane in 20 different locations to satisfy everyone".
And yeah, Europe has an expensive rocket no one wants to use commercially because it many times more expensive than the competition.
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It's not just that. The US models were trained partly due to massive theft. They illegally acquired (not used, that was legal) massive amounts of texts that they trained their model on. If you or me stole that much we would be in prison but if you're rich you get to do it and pay a small fine. It's not even the laws. It's in the US you're allowed to break the laws.
I am of the opinion that if it is on the internet, it is free. Just like I find free movies, so do AI companies find free books or whatever they need for their models. What's so hard to understand?