I dont get it-- the article was written 2 days ago, but the speech was in 2024-- why wait 2 years? What are his latest views?
Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
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Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hate that I'm biting on this, but this isn't constructive, whereas AI generated or not, the comment above is. It is the top one, it is succinct, and it articulates the point clearly. You seem to lament AI and given the context of that comment, the author presumably does too. The world is moving faster and faster towards AI first so kicking an screaming "That's AI" will not help. AI generated noise sucks, nut this is…
I simply disagree. If I wanted an LLM's opinion, I would forego HN entirely and just use ChatGPT. I browse forums like this to get organic opinions from real people. When I see someone post an LLM reply, it makes me wonder - is the reply synonymous with their actual opinion, only formatted better? Or are they attempting to disguise an LLM output as something of their own? The former I am much more OK with, but the la…
> If I wanted an LLM's opinion, I would forego HN entirely and just use ChatGPT.
We used to say "My google search is not your google search". I think we can say that OP's prompt is not your prompt.
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bryan Cantrill warns, "Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn. You stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- the lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, the lawnmower can't hate you. Don'…
Eh. That quote conflates Ellison and Oracle and I don't think that's correct. I think there's a danger in just accepting that a human being is abhorrent. It _should_ outrage us that Ellison is the way he is. It's silly to think "the lawnmower hates me" because it isn't capable of hate. Ellison is capable of hate and it's not deluded to think he might hate you and I and want to control our lives.
> That quote conflates Ellison and Oracle
I think he also mentions what ORACLE stands for in that quote: One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison.
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
The real question is whether the threshold before it causes irreversible corruption is before or after the point where you can make real change. The latter is obviously quite terrifying as it essentially means that democracy will always be corrupt (unless time is a factor perhaps)
It's never irreversible. Every generation has to go through this.
I meant irreversible to the individual, ie they can't be shown they're corrupt and change their ways
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the wrong takeaway from the post, and I think you know it. Imagine what those countries would be like if they'd received the investment that the Chinese did 35 years ago.
Those countries are all significantly richer per capita than China. Especially somewhere like Czechia, which has already passed several Western European countries in wealth. How much richer do you think Czechia and Poland would be if they received more FDI in the 90's versus the 00's? They received way higher investment per person than China did as well. Also, China has some natural advantages, like being able to emp…
> How much richer do you think Czechia and Poland would be if they received more FDI in the 90's versus the 00's?
If capital wasn't authoritarian, we would have found out.
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#276Be careful what you wish for Larry. If I may point to the examples of Fritz Thyssen, Hugo Junkers, Alfried Krupp... There are many examples of succesful clever mega-wealthy industrialists who really thought they were above the fray, had it all figured out, and could push all the levers to their advantage.
What happened then?
Fritz Thyssen and Hugo Junkers were arrested by the Nazis for being unhelpful.
Alfried Krupp was helpful to them... and was declared a war criminal by the Allies.
The point being: no one is above karma's reach, until they die. And if they care about their reputation, not even then.
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#277It's not the recording that matters, it's the enforcement. In PRC, you get your jaywalking mugshot on the intersection jumbotron, that social humiliation is enough to get people in line and establish public order. I wager shameless (individualistic) Americans would troll such methods, i.e. it would be counter productive in US cultural contexts... which is bleak because it means would need even harsher big brother enf…
The recording enables the enforcement. It's of the nature of "If you see something, say something" - blah blah "if you're innocent you have nothing to fear" blah blah.
Presumption of innocence runs counter to general surveillance, in a broad sense.
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#278Everytime someone like this opens his mouth I look up their year of birth. He's 82 already. That calms me. And I wholeheartedly hope that there won't really be life prolonging biotech. I like a merciful natural death. It's the ultimative emergency fix for gerontocracies.
Trump is near his age. Trump is threatening the safety of innocents the world over.
I am not calmed by their ages.
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#279Just yesterday, I was accosted in a public space by an individual that immediately provoked an aggressive confrontation, falsely claiming that I had invaded their personal space. After that initial accusation, they whipped out a pair of smart glasses and begin recording the conversation. It was not immediately obvious that they were recording, even though I am familiar with such devices. Their devive presumably recor…
In which state is that a class A misdemeanor? In some states it's a crime to record phone calls or other private conversations without all-party consent, but I wasn't aware that it was a crime to record a conversation in public anywhere. I hike in Oregon and I've seen bodycams becoming increasingly common. I don't think that's a bad thing.
OP is making up windmills to joust at.
Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"
#280Bangladesh is one of the best example of it. People usually don't want to follow traffic laws on road. Now that we have AI camera recording and AI fine system, people try their best to follow traffic laws. We are becoming Japan following traffic laws in certain areas. Police usually were scared to fine million dollars cars (because the car owner might be part of something higher power and they could lose their job).…
What AI have to do with this? Traffic cameras have been arround since 1834
> since 1834
That sounds correct :thumbsup: