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A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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I have a saying - if you think the data is bad because it doesn't match your narrative, go out and prove you have better data collection methods. Anecdata is well known to be problematic.

> Anecdata is well known to be problematic. Show me the data that backs that claim.

If its not true, then my anecdote that its true should suffice to make it true, no data required Q.E.D.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Honest question, do we know why crime isn’t being prosecuted anymore? I’ve noticed where I live this definitely seems to be the case and has a two fold effect, police aren’t even bothering to enforce laws because when they do the city/county refuses to prosecute and then criminals are getting wise to this and escalating their crimes. Previously where I live there would be violent crimes but generally in the early hou…

I'm not qualified to answer, but I regularly hear the following in the US: - Not enough (LE|DA|jail) funding or staffing or space. - "We want to focus on violent crimes". I have a whole rant about this, watching violent criminals/rapists going through revolving doors. - Use of diversion and "restorative justice" programs, which clearly do not work for certain classes of criminals with very long rap sheets, but here w…

> Not enough (LE|DA|jail) funding or staffing or space.

How is it possible that there isn't enough funding/staffing? Budgets have increased, ballooned beyond inflation in many cases they are the biggest line item in a city's budget.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Your forgetting the nonsense a defense attorney will conjure. How do you know he didn't buy the car from the thief? We had a similar issue with the hit and run of my grandfather: even though video evidence found the car and later saw the suspect leave the car, the detectives worried a defence attorney would argue someone else may have been driving at the time the accident (e.g his wife), and therefore "beyond reasona…

My brother bought a stolen motorcycle once. He checked with California DMV before purchasing it, and IIRC, the DMV issued him a title. Several months later, the local PD came over, asked him a lot of questions, took the motorcycle and let him go. Of course, he couldn't get in touch with the seller again, so he was just out the money. Stolen property doesn't come with a sticker indicating it's stolen.

How did that happen?

The thieves stole the car, got a replacement title, and then officially transferred it to your brother?

I’ve bought and sold a couple of cars when I was younger and more foolish. Not even sure had contracts, just remember an exchange of cashier check and signed title, followed with a form to the state that the vehicle was purchased.

Man, never going to do that again!

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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I asked about your comment that I replied to. The "stories" you see in the camera positioning would need elaboration. To me the concept sounds quite mundane. It's pointed at something they want to see. Cash register: see if someone steals, possibly an employee. ATM: See if it gets robbed. Camera built into the atm: capture photo of robber. Not sure what deeper story or insight lies in it and you gave no example.

The "stories" I reference are the wide ranges of events, decisions, and conversations that went into the camera's placement. Are the cameras just for show? Have they recently modernized? Were there discussions and arguments around employee or patron privacy? Are the videos watched incessantly or left to molder? Cameras are rarely mundane, they are a very visible representation of controls related to trust and privacy…

Thanks, that makes sense.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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I rather doubt the point of all this stuff is that kind of crime.

It was just a little baby GTA

You can see how seriously stopping that crime is being taken by the anecdote I'm replying to, can't you?

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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This is a misunderstanding of the American justice system at the most basic level. The burden is never on the defendant to prove their innocence. If the prosecution can’t prove that you stole it or knew it was stolen when you bought it, you aren’t guilty.

> The burden is never on the defendant to prove their innocence. False. Look up "affirmative defense".

That's separate and has no bearing on the burden of proof, which is ALWAYS on the prosecution. It is legitimately shocking that educated Americans can be ignorant of the most basic tenet of our justice system, the presumption of innocence.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Eh, texas gets all that borderly goodness the liberal north dishes out so freely, but avoids for itself ?

I'm just wondering why this Wild West stuff seems to be neither effective, since Texas has auto theft rates well above national averages, nor necessary, considering that Florida lacks the statute and has auto theft rates well below national averages.

It doesn't work but it does let people fantasize about being allowed to shoot someone to death legally.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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What's your hypothesis on why Texas has a much higher auto theft rate than Tennessee, given that they long had the policy you seem to believe is a remedy?

After adjusting for socioeconomic factors auto theft in the US is pretty much a straight gradient based on "how quickly can it be in mexico" Arizona, New Mexico and Socal have pretty high auto theft rates as well.

So do Washington, DC and Colorado but those don't really seem to fit your theory.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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I rather doubt the point of all this stuff is that kind of crime.

Then which kind? If you mean political resistance, that's easier to surveil from phones and chat apps and gps, not cameras.

It would be easier not to build Prism but they did that didn't they

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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I think this is just the new normal. My car was stolen in Seattle and it was found with the person driving it when he was pulled over by police. In the car he had paperwork with his name on it, a weapon, and his work uniform in the trunk with a name badge (he was a security guard - lol) along with a neighborhood witness. Despite a mountain of evidence, the prosecutors declined to press charges because without direct…

I wonder if you can sue him in civic court, could teach him a lesson.

How do you know it was a Honda?
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