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A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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for solo operators that run saas (targeting business customers) & if you do a lot of data processing - old servers are the best bang for the buck.

remember if you serve real customers as a bootstrapped business - you can afford the whole serve down for maintenance. no need for 99.999%.

better than hetzner.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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Probably in an x99 motherboard

The memory controller is integrated into the CPU, so the motherboard chipset is irrelevant. There are some OEM-only v3/v4 parts with dual memory controllers, but the E5-2620 v4 is not one of them.

Ooh weird!

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Hidden advertising is illegal in most jurisdictions, so it has to be indicated to the user for each specific occurrence and hence be trackable anyway.

"AI can make mistakes. Responses include sponsored content or weights." Now it's compliant with the law.

That’s not how the current laws generally work.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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I've got an old HP Z-620 workstation with dual E5-2697 v2 CPUs (24 cores total, 48 threads @ 2.7GHz) and 128GB of DDR3 RAM. The docs say it supports up to 192GB, but I wasn't able to get it to POST with all the RAM slots full. It's still a "homelab" beast and does great with development and GIS/Mapping applications. I was not able to figure out how to run AI workloads on it with decent performance, however, so I fina…

I'm in the same situation of having an older workstation nearly maxed out with RAM and neither wanting to pay for the equivalent RAM on a new system neither go down in GBs.

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This is not true. A few well known brands made both DDR3 and DDR4 servers that support v3 & v4 chips. Ask me how I know :-)

enlighten us

https://www.aliexpress.com/s/wiki-ssr/article/2696-v4-ddr3

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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We’re not there yet, but the obvious endgame of the present bubble insanity is open models running on local hardware and devices are “good enough” for most use cases. That will completely implode what’s going on at the moment in tech.

Not saying this isn't the case, but my Anthropic subscription costs me less than the electricity would to power such a home inference system.

What happens when Anthropic decides that the free hay time is over, and it's milking time?

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What intrigues me the most about AI progress, is not AGI or the model du jour by $AI_UNICORN, but rather what can be run locally. I remember having an amusing, but rather useless model in a beefy gaming PC that I had 6 years ago; and now, something that’s a hundred times better on my M5 laptop. Should the market react to the memory shortage, the progress of the Apple silicon continue at the same pace, and what we’ll…

--what this means for the valuation of the AI companies Probably nothing. Most users have no idea what an LLM is or how it runs. Anecdotally speaking, I see many LLM users default to whatever their day job provides to them. And even slightly more sophisticated users seem ok with paying for their openai or anthropic subscriptions. Maybe we will see a small but dedicated group of open weight model users who prefer loca…

Prices from OpenAI and Anthropic have really jumped in the past month. I work for a big giant company and our Github co-pilot costs increased as of today, June 1st. Our internal estimates are that our bill will double or triple. How much are we willing to pay? I don't know, but nobody wants to be "left behind".

I think there's actually a big market opportunity here. Somebody, like Dell or HP, should start selling turnkey on-prem LLM servers.

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Hi HN. I wrote this post after getting frustrated by the lack of ways to run the new Gemma 4 Drafter models, and mainstream tools not prioritizing this, and hiding all the performance levers. I ended up getting a modern 26B MoE model (Gemma 4) running at reading speed on an old recycled server with a single Xeon E5-2620 v4 and 128GB of DDR3 RAM (and no GPU). It took a lot of work, but it actually worked out somehow.…

I bought a renewed 2x E5-2690v4 server (28c/56t) 128gb on amazon for under $500 2 years ago (28c/56t) dell T7810 search amazon for "chia farming" ...and scroll past chia seeds :) now same machine is 2.5x the price https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095TRGCSX but way cheaper than current ddr5 machines

> now same machine is 2.5x the price

2.5x?! I have a bunch of older Haswell servers I got for free that are rotting away in my garage. I had initially thought of stripping out the ECC DDR4, but now I'm wondering if I'll get takers on Marketplace...

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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Hi HN. I wrote this post after getting frustrated by the lack of ways to run the new Gemma 4 Drafter models, and mainstream tools not prioritizing this, and hiding all the performance levers. I ended up getting a modern 26B MoE model (Gemma 4) running at reading speed on an old recycled server with a single Xeon E5-2620 v4 and 128GB of DDR3 RAM (and no GPU). It took a lot of work, but it actually worked out somehow.…

I bought a renewed 2x E5-2690v4 server (28c/56t) 128gb on amazon for under $500 2 years ago (28c/56t) dell T7810 search amazon for "chia farming" ...and scroll past chia seeds :) now same machine is 2.5x the price https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095TRGCSX but way cheaper than current ddr5 machines

Bought the exact same machine (same config and ram as well) around the same time off ebay for ~$280. Part of me wonders if I should sell it, but I do occasionally like to play with homelab stuff.

I have a 3060 12gb card I'd love to hook up to my PoE Reolink cameras for face detection and to get off of the Reolink app.

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How about the iMac Pro? Would that work? I was able to put 128gb in it (not as easy as the regular iMac but possible).

I've been running various models on a Mac Pro 2013 (8 cores, 32 GB RAM) at about 8 to 10 t/s for months. It's not fast, but it's more than enough for many actual tasks, in particular background tasks. An iMac pro will do just as well I suppose.

I have and use a Mac Pro 2013 too. Mine is 8 cores with 64 GB RAM. I haven't used mine for any LLM workloads, but it does just fine for most stuff. My biggest concern with it is the OS. I'm still running macOS (the latest supported version) but it's getting continually further out-of-date security wise all the time.
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