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OpenRouter raises $113M Series B

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Re: OpenRouter raises $113M Series B

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Post by Futurmix »

scrollop wrote: post #227
simonw wrote: post #6

It took me quite a while to come round to OpenRouter. Originally I didn't understand why anyone would put a proxy between them and an LLM, but it actually adds some quite significant value: 1. By far the lowest friction way to support and try out all the models. 2. They offer billing caps! Most model providers still don't do this [EDIT: maybe they do, see reply comment], but if you're going to run anything in public…

Though you pay 5% fees? Not worth it for me with the volume of tokens used.

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Re: OpenRouter raises $113M Series B

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Post by aargh_aargh »

reed1234 wrote: post #100
derefr wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You should expect that any inputs and outputs are going into someone's training database. True enough, in theory; but what exactly are you imagining would be a useful-enough signal in the OpenRouter request+response stream, that any company would want their data as training material? Even a single OpenRouter-API-key-identified subscriber's traffic, may consist of an mixture of traffic from multiple different sessio…

You get a 1% discount if you give OpenRouter your traces so at least they think there's some (a lot) of value.

I had no idea what traces are in this context. While looking, I found this post from @OpenRouter:

https://x.com/OpenRouter/status/2041193329270878707

  > Privacy:
  > 
  > Private I/O logging and the 1% data sharing discount are separate settings. You control each independently.
  > 
  > Input & Output Logging stores prompts and completions for your use only and makes them visible in your logs. OpenRouter does not access this data. You can configure it in your observability settings.
  > 
  > As always, more in the docs!
https://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/features/input-output-logg...

https://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/features/broadcast/overvie...

Re: OpenRouter raises $113M Series B

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Post by CMay »

numlocked wrote: post #242
segmondy wrote: post #239

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Can you also confirm that you do not log/retain it. 100% pass through. If you are logging it, you could one day change your position on that.

We have two mechanisms whereby we retain data. Both are opt-in and off by default. One mechanism where you get a discount and we can use the data (in theory this does mean sell it; but our intent is to use it to make efficient dynamic routing solutions. But absolutely we could one day sell it) and another where we retain it for you so you can see it in your logs. We have no rights to this data in any way. This is sim…

Do you specify prompt data, because prompt data is subject to user copyright, but LLM outputs are not? There is the issue that LLM outputs might leak user data back through the response. Y'all don't log those either, correct?

Re: OpenRouter raises $113M Series B

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Post by greedydecode »

alecco wrote: post #24
simonw wrote: post #6

It took me quite a while to come round to OpenRouter. Originally I didn't understand why anyone would put a proxy between them and an LLM, but it actually adds some quite significant value: 1. By far the lowest friction way to support and try out all the models. 2. They offer billing caps! Most model providers still don't do this [EDIT: maybe they do, see reply comment], but if you're going to run anything in public…

At the moment for DeepSeek V4 it messes up caching and that's a key pricing feature for V4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48319827

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Re: OpenRouter raises $113M Series B

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Post by ljlolel »

latchkey wrote: post #264
ljlolel wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to learn about Secure Enclaves

You need to learn to not make assumptions. I went to AMD's offices and learned about them from the greybeards that built it. If you think that's the end all solution, you're wrong. Tip of the iceberg... https://www.amd.com/en/resources/product-security/bulletin/a...

You stopped using any software that has had a security vulnerability?

Re: OpenRouter raises $113M Series B

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Post by reed1234 »

aargh_aargh wrote: post #272
reed1234 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get a 1% discount if you give OpenRouter your traces so at least they think there's some (a lot) of value.

I had no idea what traces are in this context. While looking, I found this post from @OpenRouter: https://x.com/OpenRouter/status/2041193329270878707 > Privacy: > > Private I/O logging and the 1% data sharing discount are separate settings. You control each independently. > > Input & Output Logging stores prompts and completions for your use only and makes them visible in your logs. OpenRouter does not access this da…

The logging thing is like langfuse

Re: OpenRouter raises $113M Series B

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Post by latchkey »

ljlolel wrote: post #276
latchkey wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to learn to not make assumptions. I went to AMD's offices and learned about them from the greybeards that built it. If you think that's the end all solution, you're wrong. Tip of the iceberg... https://www.amd.com/en/resources/product-security/bulletin/a...

You stopped using any software that has had a security vulnerability?

SEV isn't just software.

I don't know why you keep digging your hole deeper with these sorts of responses.

Re: OpenRouter raises $113M Series B

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Post by svnt »

wg0 wrote: post #225
svnt wrote: post #182

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They are because they can, because it serves as social proof, which convinces their customers that they are doing something of deeper value. Then in reality they will use it to develop channels preparing to use their customers (and the data customers trust them with) as the product in the future.

That signals the reverse that they might jack up prices at any time for their 10x returns for the investors. How does that instil any confidence at all?

As I see the perspective of a typical vp champion/customer/middle manager at a large org that buys their services: if my vendor increases their prices that is usually an indication they have something of value and things are going well. It is a negotiation, buy or build business choices, not embarrassing. If my vendor doesn’t raise, and then they cease to exist, or become so weak that a competitor of mine can buy them out, then I am actually in an embarrassing place.

My main job in this conception is to not be in an embarrassing place, and grow my budgets and headcount. Prices rising can even help with this, perversely.

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