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Post by streetfighter64 »

Wicher wrote: post #254
streetfighter64 wrote: post #120

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"The victim" of using a certain operating system? Please. Being lucky enough to work in a comfortable air-conditioned office, AND having the luxury of declining jobs sorely because the operating system makes you angry, is the height of privilege. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and realize how good you have it. > I didn't see them say anything about dignity. The word dignity was used twice in the comment I replied…

> "The victim" of using a certain operating system? Please. Perhaps "victim" in the sense of not having much choice/agency? Neither in the choice of operating system (due to sparsely restrained anticompetitive behaviour of incumbents over decades) nor in how they're treated (entrapped) by the operating systems. The OSes are really POS (point of sale) terminals for media and cloud services. Thus consider most operatin…

Nobody works by choice so I suppose that makes us all "victims" of the system. I'd put using certain software below many worse kinds of suffering however

Re: The user is visibly frustrated

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Post by streetfighter64 »

em-bee wrote: post #203
streetfighter64 wrote: post #64

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Incredibly privileged take to claim that using Windows is somehow beneath your "dignity". Do you have any idea at all of the kinds of jobs people are doing in the real world? Imagine the daycare worker taking care of your kids or the truck driver bringing your food saying "getting frustrated creates stress, that's unhealthy and makes for a hostile work environment".

i live in a developing country. from my perspective, anyone who has access to a computer is privileged. Imagine the daycare worker taking care of your kids or the truck driver bringing your food saying "getting frustrated creates stress, that's unhealthy and makes for a hostile work environment". what's your point? if you get frustrated with my kids then you are in the wrong profession or you need more training. as a…

Taking care of kids or driving in heavy traffic is 10x more stressful than using windows. If you claim you never get frustrated by your kids or traffic, then you must be the perfect person, good job.

> working in a stress free environment is not a privilege, it's a human right. nobody deserves to be mistreated at work, or be stressed by other peoples expectations (which is a form of mistreatment, or, dare i say, abuse)

Seriously? Having expectations is abuse? Since students get stressed by exams and deadlines, education is nothing but abuse then?

And having a stress free environment is a human right? It'd be nice if the world worked that way, but it's as absurd as saying "never stubbing your toe is a human right".

Re: The user is visibly frustrated

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Post by streetfighter64 »

smcg wrote: post #219
streetfighter64 wrote: post #64

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Incredibly privileged take to claim that using Windows is somehow beneath your "dignity". Do you have any idea at all of the kinds of jobs people are doing in the real world? Imagine the daycare worker taking care of your kids or the truck driver bringing your food saying "getting frustrated creates stress, that's unhealthy and makes for a hostile work environment".

Bob forbid someone have standards

There's nothing wrong with Taylor Swift taking a private jet instead of a 20 minute drive, she just has "standards".

No, obviously if everybody had those same unreasonable standards the world wouldn't work at all. So all of the privileged elites should probably be grateful that us plebs with "lower standards" exist.

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Post by fransje26 »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #243
fransje26 wrote: post #93

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That's not a bug. It's a (safety) feature.

? Curious. In this case, how is sleep 10s a safety feature? The screensaver should never see keyboard input. And it shouldn't take 10s for the visual changeover - even for Windows. Happy to read if you've got a pointer for me.

Sorry, misread.

I read it as: made an error while typing my password in screensaver mode, needed to wait 10s for the next try.

Waiting 10 s to be able to input your initial password is, I fully agree, not acceptable.. (And even not on Windows, which I try to avoid as much as possible, among other things, for those reasons. :-))

Re: The user is visibly frustrated

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Post by streetfighter64 »

em-bee wrote: post #205
antonvs wrote: post #114

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I didn't see them say anything about dignity. They said using Windows makes them angry, which is understandable. That speaks to a poor user experience design. Framing it as a privilege issue is blaming the victim.

I didn't see them say anything about dignity actually, i did, and i stand by it. working with a system that makes you angry is undignified. it's a reference to a quote that i can't find the source for which roughly goes like this: *why i use linux and not windows? i could also rob banks and ..., but you have to keep a certain amount of dignity". the original of that quote was in german.

I'll say, I quite hope the AI comes for your job so you'll have a chance to experience one of those "undignified" jobs you look down on so much.

Re: The user is visibly frustrated

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Post by em-bee »

streetfighter64 wrote: post #272
em-bee wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i live in a developing country. from my perspective, anyone who has access to a computer is privileged. Imagine the daycare worker taking care of your kids or the truck driver bringing your food saying "getting frustrated creates stress, that's unhealthy and makes for a hostile work environment". what's your point? if you get frustrated with my kids then you are in the wrong profession or you need more training. as a…

Taking care of kids or driving in heavy traffic is 10x more stressful than using windows. If you claim you never get frustrated by your kids or traffic, then you must be the perfect person, good job. > working in a stress free environment is not a privilege, it's a human right. nobody deserves to be mistreated at work, or be stressed by other peoples expectations (which is a form of mistreatment, or, dare i say, abus…

Taking care of kids or driving in heavy traffic is 10x more stressful than using windows.

i don't know about driving because i don't drive, but i disagree that taking care of children is stressful. i am a stay at home dad. i have taken care of my kids from birth, and we frequently have kids of relatives and friends in our house.

i never once felt stressed by kids. stress is something that for me is only caused by expectations of others. kids behavior is natural, there is no reason to get stressed.

now of course everyone is different, and perhaps i am simply more resilient and i don't get easily stressed, but that's also why i can demand a stress free environment, because actually what is stress free for me, may be very stressful for you, meaning that my expectations of a stress free environment may be a lot lower than they would be for you.

Having expectations is abuse?

causing stress is abuse.

students get stressed by exams and deadlines

i don't. not by the exam or the deadlines themselves. i only get stressed by people's reactions on how i perform. and that is an important distinction. because regardless of how i perform you can decide to accept my performance or be disappointed. only that disappointment and how you express it causes stress for me. but your reaction is under your control, so it is possible for you to react in a way that it does not cause me any stress. you could for example be encouraging to do better next time instead of being disappointed. and that is all i am asking for.

another way to look at it, stress is caused by things that are not under my control. and that is mostly other peoples behavior. or, to get back to the original topic, by the unpredictable behavior of LLMs.

Re: The user is visibly frustrated

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Post by em-bee »

streetfighter64 wrote: post #273
smcg wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bob forbid someone have standards

There's nothing wrong with Taylor Swift taking a private jet instead of a 20 minute drive, she just has "standards". No, obviously if everybody had those same unreasonable standards the world wouldn't work at all. So all of the privileged elites should probably be grateful that us plebs with "lower standards" exist.

unreasonable standards

what is a reasonable standard and what is dignified and what isn't is really the question. taking a private jet is clearly an unreasonable standard. living healthy (stress is a health hazard) should not be unreasonable.

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Post by QuercusMax »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #258
QuercusMax wrote: post #230

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I'm 43 years old, and I've been coding for as long as I can remember (I started on the C64 as soon as I could read, in order to play and make my own video games). I have applications I've worked on since I was a teenager which are still in active use in some version or another. Code has always been a means to an end. The process is fun, sure (just like solving sudoku puzzles) but the real payoff is the results. I've…

I wish I could relate to that. For me, writing the code is the fun part - I couldn't care less about the end result. Sadly, it's the part that our industry seems determined (unwisely imo) to discard. It's kind of like cooking - I don't need to bake a cake in order to have a nice cake to enjoy. The bakery makes very nice cakes I can purchase for far less effort. But there's no joy, no accomplishment, in purchasing a c…

But you don't get paid to make beautiful code - you get paid to solve problems.

Re: The user is visibly frustrated

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Post by em-bee »

streetfighter64 wrote: post #271
Wicher wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The victim" of using a certain operating system? Please. Perhaps "victim" in the sense of not having much choice/agency? Neither in the choice of operating system (due to sparsely restrained anticompetitive behaviour of incumbents over decades) nor in how they're treated (entrapped) by the operating systems. The OSes are really POS (point of sale) terminals for media and cloud services. Thus consider most operatin…

Nobody works by choice so I suppose that makes us all "victims" of the system. I'd put using certain software below many worse kinds of suffering however

Nobody works by choice

not true. anybody working as a volunteer works by choice. i work by choice, because i could instead live in germany on unemployment support and welfare, because i am to old to find a job (germany has a big problem with age discrimination) and the government can't force me to work as a selfemployed freelancer. so i choose to work because i want to. not because i have to.

at least in germany i can't think of anyone being forced to work in a job that would cause them suffering. well, except working with windows, and hence from that perspective a worse kind of suffering is quite unlikely.

that aside, almost all suffering comes from how people are treated at work. the days of people suffering in coalmines or other seriously unhealthy work conditions with out any alternative are over. anyone there still suffering at work today is being actively exploited by abusive business owners. yes, the people working there may not have a choice, but we as a society do have the choice to not tolerate such working conditions, and therefore making such demands is not privileged.

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Post by recursive »

scotty79 wrote: post #247
recursive wrote: post #237

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I don't understand this at all. If someone hits a nail with a hammer, does that mean they might start hitting people with hammers one day? I'm not afraid of being abusive with humans because I know I'm not going to do it. That's a thing that's in my control.

Depends how they are hitting the nail. If they do it furiously with anger in their eyes, yes. If they do it to fasten two things together, no. Emotionally motivated violence is something to be extremely cautious about, regardless of the target.

For the purposes of this conversation, I'm speaking of fastening two things together.
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