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Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by happytoexplain »

doug_durham wrote: post #130
smlavine wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All dependency management is speculative. You've got to hedge your bets that the dependency is reliable and fit for purpose. It is reasonable to view Bun's recent choices as increasing the risk associated with depending on it.

Really?? So you base your engineer in "speculation". The Bun team has a deep track record of delivering a high quality product. What makes you think that is going to stop?

>What makes you think that is going to stop?

The PR that was merged.

Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by [deleted] »

johnfn wrote: post #193
dogleash wrote: post #188

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So, you're fanboying? If we're gonna fight, lets go xbox vs playstation. Javscript runtimes are a snoozefest.

Stating e.g. "Bun is more performant than Node [along a particular benchmark]" is not a fanboy statement. It's a statement of measurable fact.

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Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by johnfn »

phoronixrly wrote: post #197
johnfn wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I meant by political. I meant political in the more modern sense of "appealing to emotion rather than thought". EDIT: Everyone is rightfully calling me out that this doesn't make a lot of sense. What I meant is that the move is driven by ideology. I think there is a lot of overlap between politics and ideology, and an increasing amount of overlap between ideology and emotion. But it's fair enough to c…

Wait, expecting all code to be verified and tested by a human is not engineering-driven but instead emotion-driven mindset???

What code is fully, or even primarily, tested by a human? Haven't you heard of automated testing suites, regression testing, conformance testing..?

Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by xdennis »

atonse wrote: post #234
kqp wrote: post #223

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Every single macOS update the top comments are about giving it six months to stabilize, but when a program’s biggest ever rewrite involves a lot of AI, the top comment is calling you irrational if you don’t YOLO it, and probably a jerk, too.

YOLO? Bun has an extensive test suite and this implementation passed the test suite. Can we at least try to be a bit more accurate and less hyperbolic? I will continue to use Bun because the same people that made bun have made this decision. I trusted them one week ago. I have used bun for the past 2 years, and so have many others. I'm not about to just assume they've become immature idiots yolo'ing stuff overnight.…

> this implementation passed the test suite

Didn't they also change the tests to make the re-write pass?

Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by beej71 »

johnfn wrote: post #145
gpm wrote: post #98

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> Have you observed Bun have more segfaults, OOMs, etc, since the Rust rewrite? Have you noticed more security vulnerabilities? Have you seen more bugs? (Of course you haven't, the rewrite hasn't even landed yet.) On the flip side it's not on the yt-dlp authors to test Bun's new development process and see if it results in more segfaults, OOMs, security vulnerabilities, etc. In fact it would arguably be negligent to…

> It seems a bit unfortunate to me that they've apparently already intending to never support future releases instead of planning on re-evaluating in the future. On the other hand the yt-dlp developers definitely don't owe anyone anything. I think your final comment gets at it. If they said "OK, I am skeptical, so we're going to pause on updating to see how this Rust thing plays out" -- that sounds like a reasonable…

That wasn't my read, though. I think if they don't want to go with the vibe-coded version then they have to go with the last release before that. And presumably that last release won't be updated (except with the vibe-coded version). Therefore it makes sense to deprecate.

Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

johnfn wrote: post #73

This decision seems to based more in politics than engineering. Have you observed Bun have more segfaults, OOMs, etc, since the Rust rewrite? Have you noticed more security vulnerabilities? Have you seen more bugs? (Of course you haven't, the rewrite hasn't even landed yet.) It seems that you are making this decision because you get a bad feeling when thinking about AI involvement. I don't select my engineering tools…

The rust rewrite isn’t even out of canary IIUC.

Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by Supermancho »

yanis_t wrote: post #89

Do we know which model was used for the rewrite?

Claude

Bun’s source code rewrite from Zig to Rust was executed primarily through AI-assisted development using Anthropic’s Claude agents, specifically within a branch named claude/phase-a-port. The project creator, Jarred Sumner, merged the massive pull request (PR #30412) on May 14, 2026, which involved over 1 million lines of code added and 6,755 commits completed in roughly one week.

Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by happytoexplain »

johnfn wrote: post #273
phoronixrly wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, expecting all code to be verified and tested by a human is not engineering-driven but instead emotion-driven mindset???

What code is fully, or even primarily, tested by a human? Haven't you heard of automated testing suites, regression testing, conformance testing..?

Test code written by a human counts as "tested by a human". Also, most code is literally tested (manually) by humans in addition to automated tests. You are being pointlessly pedantic.

Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by phoronixrly »

johnfn wrote: post #273
phoronixrly wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, expecting all code to be verified and tested by a human is not engineering-driven but instead emotion-driven mindset???

What code is fully, or even primarily, tested by a human? Haven't you heard of automated testing suites, regression testing, conformance testing..?

If I were to mirror your tone, I'd ask you if you've ever heard of the basic courtesy of running your code manually yourself before you waste anyone else's time with it... Or whether you've heard about QA, or about making demos for Product or for customers...

Neither of these can be replaced by an automated test suite of any kind, and all of these are examples of good engineering practices that guarantee software quality.

Additionally, even if you don't (need to) adhere to the best engineering practices and instead rely solely on an automated test suite, the tests in this suite must be validated - read and understood - by a human in order to guarantee that they nail down the correct requirements.

Re: Bun support is now limited and deprecated

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Post by johnfn »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #208
johnfn wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I meant by political. I meant political in the more modern sense of "appealing to emotion rather than thought". EDIT: Everyone is rightfully calling me out that this doesn't make a lot of sense. What I meant is that the move is driven by ideology. I think there is a lot of overlap between politics and ideology, and an increasing amount of overlap between ideology and emotion. But it's fair enough to c…

That has nothing to do with what "politics" means but it's exactly how people have started using "political" to mean "idea I don't agree with".

I think there is a lot of overlap between politics and ideology, and an increasing amount of overlap between ideology and emotion.

I think it's fair to call me out for skipping a step, but I wasn't using it to mean "idea I don't agree with".

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