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Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

dale_glass wrote: post #32
dfxm12 wrote: post #18

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If your ability to engage with the article and this topic is reduced to parroting cliches, consider this one: if all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?

I'm generally friends with good, sane, smart people. If they're all jumping from the bridge, there's almost certainly something to jump from, so yes I would. https://xkcd.com/1170/

If your friends all start to jump off a bridge, the rational thing to do is question their sanity, not to just jump. That xkcd is dead wrong.

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Post by ModernMech »

bob1029 wrote: post #244
splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

I think the Death Star is the most apt analogy so far. You can either help build and maintain it, or you can risk becoming one of its first test targets. In this analogy, the laser system has demonstrated to function at low power as of a few months ago, and some targets have already been destroyed successfully (i.e., layoffs). A full-scale test is imminent. 20% headcount reduction is going to look like a walk in the…

> A full-scale test is imminent. 20% headcount reduction is going to look like a walk in the park compared to what comes next.

Agreed.

20% headcount reduction -> enshittification of products

what comes next -> enshittification of entire companies

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

SubmarineClub wrote: post #152
splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

Doubt. How much money has been pumped into these products, to produce slightly coding tools? Despite what the AI boosters keep screaming, these tools are absolute shit at anything outside programming. I highly doubt they will stick around outside of tech companies once prices rise to the true costs.

They aren't even good at programming, despite the repeated claims to the contrary by AI bros.

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Post by embracethenoid »

Jtarii wrote: post #147
BosunoB wrote: post #93

Counterpoint: Work sucks. Of the billions of workers on the planet, the number of them who love their job and would truly be doing it even if they didn't need to in order to survive is probably in the low single digits. Hating work is good, wanting it to all be automated is good. It is a pro-human flourishing stance, whereas keeping the majority of humanity laboring in jobs they dislike just to survive is against hum…

Humans will not flourish if you remove their jobs, they will become violent criminals because they will have nothing else to fill their days and no purpose in their community. People may hate their job, but they will hate being unemployed way more.

This is why rich inheritors usually become violent criminals. No jobs.

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Post by miyoji »

elpocko wrote: post #185
miyoji wrote: post #149

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> It's perfectly fine to tell people to suck it up on a huge number of more important issues. No, it isn't. If you think it's "perfectly fine" to dismiss people's legitimate concerns and complaints by telling them to "suck it up", the problem is that you're an asshole, not that AI is unimportant or whatever it is you're trying to imply.

> dismiss people's legitimate concerns Ignoring your rudeness, the word "legitimate" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. It would take me one second to present you with an issue that concerns me, that will make you say "suck it up" because you don't consider it a legit issue, and I would end up being the asshole in the exchange.

You don't know me.

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Post by virgildotcodes »

pelasaco wrote: post #73
splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

You can still hate it and find it useful or work with it daily, no?

Yeah, it’s like living in an unsustainable society whose luxuries you enjoy are entirely predicated on the destruction of the natural world, the enslavement and abuse of your fellow human beings, and the death and torture of billions of other sentient beings annually.

If you’re honest, you know it’s evil, but it’s pretty undeniable that all the affordances this provides us are useful (to the beneficiaries) and that we all contribute to it daily.

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Post by darkwater »

elpocko wrote: post #185
miyoji wrote: post #149

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> It's perfectly fine to tell people to suck it up on a huge number of more important issues. No, it isn't. If you think it's "perfectly fine" to dismiss people's legitimate concerns and complaints by telling them to "suck it up", the problem is that you're an asshole, not that AI is unimportant or whatever it is you're trying to imply.

> dismiss people's legitimate concerns Ignoring your rudeness, the word "legitimate" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. It would take me one second to present you with an issue that concerns me, that will make you say "suck it up" because you don't consider it a legit issue, and I would end up being the asshole in the exchange.

> It would take me one second to present you with an issue that concerns me

Does this hypothetical issue concern you AND the rest of society as a whole as well, or just you? Because there is a big difference between the two cases.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

empath75 wrote: post #250
csande17 wrote: post #159

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You'd have to wipe out, like, at MOST about ten executives and star engineers.

Why do you imagine this would change _anything_? There's a voluminous amount of code and documentation on how to build and run LLMs. You can build your own chatgpt literally in a weekend and run it on a home server, based on publicly available models. If OpenAI and Anthropic literally evaporated overnight, there would still be Chinese labs training and releasing new models.

Well then the Chinese labs need to evaporate too

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Post by chaps »

sifar wrote: post #234
dmantis wrote: post #210

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Why would it? It's a technology, not an artifical belief system to just disappear because people got tired of it. Hype might go away, along with some of today's usages, but the fact that we know about the technology means it will stay in one fo or another.

Swords, bows and arrows, castles were all here to stay. Technologies fade away when they are no longer useful, cost/benefit ratio is too high or something better comes along. It is question of when.

Bows and arrows are still widely used for hunting all over the world. I was able do freelance work on a relatively low income because of access to ~150lbs of deer meat that came from multiple bow-hunted deer.

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Post by xeonmc »

goda90 wrote: post #179
BosunoB wrote: post #165

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Democracy is what allows regular people to have negotiating power vs the rich, and the majority of these battles are actually won through legislation, not union negotiation. I understand that regular people have lost faith in democracy, and that they think rich people control the world and make every major decision, but that just doesn't ring true to me. Democracy is more or less giving us what we vote for, we just v…

> Democracy is more or less giving us what we vote for, we just vote for dumb things. Education and media are controlled by the rich, and those heavily influence how people vote.

    Because democracy basically means, government, by the people, of the people, for the people. But the people are...
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