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Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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"We need a plane for bombing, straffing, assault and battery, interception, ground support and reconnaissance. Not just a *fair weather fighter*!" RIP Bob Calvert.

Putting on my Internet Guy hat : isn’t that the A-10?

Yes, but that wouldn't come along for another 19 years.

G for... G for *Germany*, Herr Minister.

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Ejection is often a career-ending event, unfortunately. Better than dying though.

Needless to say, crashing jets at an air show is not going to help anyone’s career.

To my eye, only the pilot of the rearmost plane is in trouble. The one in front was (more or less) flying straight ahead.

It’ll be interesting to see the official findings.

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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> Healthcare is expensive because we buy fancy airplanes? This is a bad faith rebuttal that intentionally tries to distort the comparison. Here's the salient point you're trying to ignore: many other countries have lower healthcare costs and better health outcomes because they've prioritized investing in healthcare systems that work better for their citizens. Government budgets are not unlimited and when your country…

Saying we should trim fat to spend more on healthcare is like saying we should just keep adding pumps rather than fixing the hole in the ship. I think it beyond anything that could be construed as honesty to call such advocacy "good faith". Let the people have their stupid circuses. The actual cost of airshows is fairly low on an annual basis. The DOD is gonna make a bunch of C5s pack random crap around, make a bunch…

> Saying we should trim fat to spend more on healthcare is like saying we should just keep adding pumps rather than fixing the hole in the ship.

It's not just about the numbers themselves, it's about what they signal in terms of priorities.

Is it really so strange to question whether a country with $40 trillion in debt that spends nearly a trillion dollars a year on its war machine - more than 2x the amount spent by the second-largest military spender in the world - has its priorities straight?

The saddest thing about healthcare in America is that it's working exactly as designed. The high costs are a feature, not a bug. And large numbers of the people who are an emergency room visit away from a financial crisis cheer the products of a military-industrial complex that has produced enough firepower to destroy the planet thousands of times over.

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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I don’t think you should ignore them but two jets that collide at an air show has very little to do with the state of healthcare in America. As an American I completely dislike the state of the healthcare system but I also get tired of the cheap shot comments like this.

I think they absolutely are more connected than you think. So many problems in our current society are because everything is treated as being in its own vacuum. As an American, I’m tired of comments like yours. I’m not sure you understand what a cheap shot is. America isn’t on the ground while others are standing over them, kicking them. If anything, America is acting as if its limbs are all completely different orga…

All of the hugs for you, friend.

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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There are two expensive holes in the ground that do not support your supposition.

Only if there's a significant difference in risk between training flight and air show flight. Otherwise there's always a near constant ever present risk of uncontrolled unintended landings with expensive repair and replacement costs.

You don't need to do some rigorous searching to find that military jet planes do not need an airshow to crash. Just search f-35 crash

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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I would say it's part of the US culture. It's not a thing in Europe (one reason might be practical reasons. We have less space to do it safely).

Of course we have airshows and dedicated teams for that. There are the patrouille Suisse, patrouille de France, Frecce Tricolori... After the Ramstein Air Base disaster security was tightened a lot though.

Never heard anybody mention them while in the US they seem to be common and well known.

As well as private aviation has a different standing in the US in my experience.

Saying "not a thing" might have been to absolute, but my impression is that flight shows are much more known and I would assume more common in the US.

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Needless to say, crashing jets at an air show is not going to help anyone’s career.

To my eye, only the pilot of the rearmost plane is in trouble. The one in front was (more or less) flying straight ahead. It’ll be interesting to see the official findings.

Agreed. It only takes one of them to have an issue or be out of position. Like you say, it’ll be interesting to see what they come back with after a thorough investigation.
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