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Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by cybercatgurrl »

finaard wrote: post #134
ChristianJacobs wrote: post #3

Bambu showed their true colours last year when they would've eliminated offline access altogether if not for public outrage. You don't own your Bambu printer, you're leasing it at a subsidised premium. This move does not surprise me at all, and I'm genuinely happy that Louis is willing to shell out money to help those that can't defend themselves. I'm happy that Bambu finally made Prusa care, but I will not cheer the…

And the yet again I got told over and over again that Bambu didn't really mean to, and if they did they learned their lesson, and after all you can still keep them offline. And spending more for a prusa obviously is silly. I'm really getting too old dealing with morons who didn't learn anything after the same patterns repeating for decades now.

companies don’t learn lessons. they will always push the boundaries of what they can get away with as long as it improves their bottom line

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by kiba »

bsder wrote: post #252
MBCook wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bambu won with relentless free giveaways to every YouTuber on the planet, cheap prices, and a consumer friendly looking design. I don’t think they earned it. I suspect there is a huge number of people out there who bought them who don’t even know what else exists. They saw a YouTuber advertise one on a video making something and decided to buy that.

> I don’t think they earned it. 1) The people around me who bought a Bambu P1S or P2S weren't swayed by marketing. Some of them even owned Prusa machines. They bought those Bambu printers because they had products they needed printed, and the Bambu got it done while the Prusa failed prints and made them dork around with things. 2) The A1 minis are cheap and look good to consumers; they also work remarkably reliably .…

1) Some of them, yes. But also marketing.

3) is marketing and access to capital that Prusa don't have. 4) Prusa is of similar quality in my experience, or both machines have their problems for different reasons. I would need to run a scientific experiment.

There is no argument in which Bambu succeed solely on technical merit alone. Bambu can outspend Prusa due to access to venture capital funding and state support. That is a structural advantage that cannot be easily overcome.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by rasz »

the_biot wrote: post #45
exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

The drama is about right to repair and he isnt really the source, he is the conduit.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by sundarurfriend »

MBCook wrote: post #207
exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

Who IS he, could you give a summary? I don’t recognize the name and for some reason the article never gives a single sentence of context just expecting you to know the same way things expect you to know who Trump or Taylor Swift is. I even watch a few 3D printer and maker YTers, but I guess not him.

He isn't specifically related to the 3D printing or maker space (in this sense) niches. He got popular at first for repairing Apple devices that Apple Stores claimed were unrepairable or quoted enormous repair fees for. He made videos about those cases, and then transitioned into right-to-repair efforts in general. He also started the Consumer Rights wiki: https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by MBCook »

kiba wrote: post #272
bsder wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t think they earned it. 1) The people around me who bought a Bambu P1S or P2S weren't swayed by marketing. Some of them even owned Prusa machines. They bought those Bambu printers because they had products they needed printed, and the Bambu got it done while the Prusa failed prints and made them dork around with things. 2) The A1 minis are cheap and look good to consumers; they also work remarkably reliably .…

1) Some of them, yes. But also marketing. 3) is marketing and access to capital that Prusa don't have. 4) Prusa is of similar quality in my experience, or both machines have their problems for different reasons. I would need to run a scientific experiment. There is no argument in which Bambu succeed solely on technical merit alone. Bambu can outspend Prusa due to access to venture capital funding and state support. T…

Plus they have a massive labor cost advantage and a government heavily interested in pushing their players into all markets for dominance.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by x-complexity »

nullc wrote: post #206
gamblor956 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most countries are first to file, not first to invent or first to disclose. First to file rewards this type of behavior.

That's a common but highly misleading view. If you invent something and publish it (including by offering it to the public in product) your work constitutes prior art and is an absolute bar against the subsequent (valid) patenting of the invention by a third party. F2F vs F2I has no impact on this. What F2F means if that if two people working in secret create the same invention and show up at the patent office at the…

> The earlier F2I scheme instead had a contest where the party that is the most ambitious in fabricating lab notebooks to backdate their invention gets the patent.

The implementation of F2I is then the issue. It should be the first to fulfill all of the following requirements:

(1) physically show at least 2 patent clerks the invention,

(2) that the invention works & operates as outlined, with the clerks being the ones to operate the machine, and

(3) a detailed step-by-step guide to the clerk about how the machine works

The date that the patent is awarded should be the date where the last of the 3 actions occurred.

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Post by dragonwriter »

x-complexity wrote: post #276
nullc wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a common but highly misleading view. If you invent something and publish it (including by offering it to the public in product) your work constitutes prior art and is an absolute bar against the subsequent (valid) patenting of the invention by a third party. F2F vs F2I has no impact on this. What F2F means if that if two people working in secret create the same invention and show up at the patent office at the…

> The earlier F2I scheme instead had a contest where the party that is the most ambitious in fabricating lab notebooks to backdate their invention gets the patent. The implementation of F2I is then the issue. It should be the first to fulfill all of the following requirements: (1) physically show at least 2 patent clerks the invention, (2) that the invention works & operates as outlined, with the clerks being the one…

That's first to file with a particular (and onerous) set of requirements for filing, not first to implement.

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Post by stingraycharles »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #175
stingraycharles wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers. My point is that I have an issue with his tone and rhetoric, not with the thing he’s advocating. He appeals to a certain audience that likes rage over proper discourse. I am fairly certain the HN etiquette prefers proper discourse over rage.

> My point is that I have an issue with his tone and rhetoric, not with the thing he’s advocating. This is often a hand wavy excuse by people who simply don’t agree with a cause and/or think it’s not important, but won’t admit it. If you don’t think what he is advocating for is important just say so. If you do, support him. You can’t possibly believe he’s so out of line that it’s worth prioritizing that opinion over…

To be clear: I really do agree with his message, and I appreciate the tremendous impact he has had in the right to repair, DRM and all these things. So in that sense, I support him.

It’s just that his style is really appalling to me. Am I not allowed to criticize his style while at the same time supporting his stance?

I think it’s unfair to then imply I must not be admitting that I’m against his cause and using it as an excuse, because nothing I have said indicated this.

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Post by kllrnohj »

wolvoleo wrote: post #182
jchw wrote: post #66

I made the tragic mistake of getting a Bambu printer (an X1C, with AMS even...) right before they gave all of us the middle finger. I now have it offline, running out of date firmware, connected to a special WiFi network that is isolated from the Internet. That upset me, but now I'm pissed. Now I don't even care about their stupid printers. Now I'd like to waste Bambu Lab's time and cause problems for them. And also,…

Meh. I use bambu and I am a maker but it's not a big thing in my opinion. I bought a bambu precisely because I don't want to mod the thing with a gazillion custom upgrades like I needed to do with my previous printers to make them work reliably. I just want to press print and... print. Bambu totally delivers there. They really commoditised 3D printing and brought the price down. And if you do want to go off the beate…

> Bambu totally delivers there. They really commoditised 3D printing and brought the price down.

Prusa's MK3S delivered consistently good, zero fuss, straight out of the box prints with auto bed leveling for $999 before Bambu labs even existed at all.

Bambu brought Core XY & multi-filament to the "mainstream" (for however mainstream 3D printing is at all), absolutely, but if you just wanted a 3D printer that consistently worked for an affordable price? Prusa beat them to that by years. They just didn't advertise the shit out of it on YouTube like Bambu did.

Prusa unfortunately then kinda just... relaxed? Not sure what happened, but MK3 -> MK4 was pretty meh, the XL was delayed, the Core One a good response but still lacking on the multi-material front, etc...

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Post by rainbow13 »

rafram wrote: post #43

When was the last time Rossmann had anything nice to say? He seems utterly miserable. I don’t doubt this is an important issue, but when he inserts himself into a dispute, it only gets more overblown and vitriolic on all sides. (The ridiculous NYC to Austin thing is pretty representative. Complained incessantly about loony liberal New York, moved to Austin, now he complains about Texas. Sorry! Turns out there is no u…

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