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Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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The app that scans the code talks to the TPM in your phone to prove that your phone is running an unmodified Google OS.

Which would be meaningful if phones weren't remotely controllable. So the net effect is every AI agent will also have and connect to a physical phone.

One can expect it will be tied to a government ID, at which point they ban you from the internet if you disobey them.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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I ditched reCaptcha and switched to Cloudflare Turnstile recently. It’s been a lot more effective. Not sure about this but I won’t be switching back for the time being.

Why not hcaptcha or anubis? I had to block Cloudflare JS due to abuse, so I can't use any sites that require it.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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This is going to make my grapheneos journey a bit more exciting. How wild to force users through an official google identification for web browsing. Does the iPhone recaptcha app force you to login with a Google account? Seems we didn't need ID verification for the web to lose all anonymity.

I'd rather have to do ID verification at a government site that gives out blindable RSA signatures to browse the web with using open source software, than this overseas tech company needing to lock down the whole device and tech stack and not have to 'show ID' at all. One of these two holds elections... Music/movie corporations and game developers must look forward to an age where people can't access the cache files…

Sorry, I trust Google more than my government for my data. I mean I trust photos, youtube, music, gmail, wallet, keep, etc. what is that I have left anyway? It's sad that we started from open web, but we ended up in the hands of few. Apple/Samsung, Google, Microsoft, Amazon decide basically how I live my life. I don't want to (and sometimes I try to hard), but I don't want to give up the convenience also, but not only mine, also for my family is in the same pot.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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I'd rather have to do ID verification at a government site that gives out blindable RSA signatures to browse the web with using open source software, than this overseas tech company needing to lock down the whole device and tech stack and not have to 'show ID' at all. One of these two holds elections... Music/movie corporations and game developers must look forward to an age where people can't access the cache files…

Sorry, I trust Google more than my government for my data. I mean I trust photos, youtube, music, gmail, wallet, keep, etc. what is that I have left anyway? It's sad that we started from open web, but we ended up in the hands of few. Apple/Samsung, Google, Microsoft, Amazon decide basically how I live my life. I don't want to (and sometimes I try to hard), but I don't want to give up the convenience also, but not onl…

Google will comply if your government needs information on you. Are you sure your trust isn't misguided?

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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In this specific case, why fear the government? My government has already seen my government-issued ID. If my government hasn't worked out my phone number, they can always ask the phone company. My address is required for the ID, voting, and filing taxes. I don't see how the government learns anything from this? Conversely, I would like to believe most companies do not have my government-issued ID, nor a lot of the i…

From an American perspective, i don't trust the government with the implementation details, nor do I trust our political climate, misaligned incentives, and general disinterest in good governance to implement something so sensitive. If I lived in say, Sweden, I feel much more comfortable trusting their government to implement. In America, I feel I must always vote in a way that prevents giving any power to the govern…

the grass is always greener on the other side

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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My desktop doesn't have Bluetooth. Does this mean I'd be doomed even if I had a compatible mobile device?

We might need to redo this whole Internet thing because this is insanity.

Maybe it’s time to get in to Ham radio or some other hobby

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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I'd rather have to do ID verification at a government site that gives out blindable RSA signatures to browse the web with using open source software, than this overseas tech company needing to lock down the whole device and tech stack and not have to 'show ID' at all. One of these two holds elections... Music/movie corporations and game developers must look forward to an age where people can't access the cache files…

I'd rather have no ID verification at all. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

Same, I've never seen any app or website where an ID registration would make sense. No thanks.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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It's a small computer that I don't really control with a horrible UI, horrible privacy, and nothing but perverse incentives. ("download the app!")

You need LineageOS or GrapheneOS

Or Mobian, or PureOS, or postmarketOS.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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It's a small computer that I don't really control with a horrible UI, horrible privacy, and nothing but perverse incentives. ("download the app!")

There’s no going back unfortunately. There’s no world where smartphones go away barring a new tech as significant and useful as a smartphone.

Why are you so sure? Have a look at Librem 5 and Pinephone.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#280

Any company that requires me to scan a QR code to make a purchase is losing my purchase.

Scanning QR in your bank app for payment is near universal in Europe. In fact, it is considered very annoying if a site does not provide the option.

I live in France and no such payement system ever took off.

We just pay with a standard credit card.

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