Earlier quoted context omitted.
The TV Series Devs explores this concept as well. It is decently executed, but it is a bit too cringe for my liking (supposedly world-class "devs" working on those keyboards you often see in museums, the protagonist having a fibonacci-off to establish engineering creds). Anyway, might be fun!
>keyboards you often see in museums like what? the model M? you can take my buckling springs from my cold dead hands
Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930
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Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
OK I'll raise the bar--make sure when you reassemble the coffee cup and put the coffee back into it, the coffee is the exact same temperature as when you threw the whole shooting match onto the floor ;) EDIT: and you don't get to re-heat it. EDIT AGAIN: to be clear, in my post above (and this one) by "put the coffee back in" I meant more precisely "put every molecule of coffee that splashed/sloshed/flowed/whatever ou…
Ah ok sorry, so you want them to fully reverse entropy. I agree that bar is high enough.
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#273TALKIE-1930: Yes, if the vessel be kept at an absolutely uniform temperature. Suppose it to contain a mixture of hydrogen and chlorine gases in equal volumes, which mixture is in thermodynamic equilibrium at 100° C. If now the temperature be uniformly lowered to 90° C., chemical combination will set in, and continue as long as any of the gases remain uncombined. The heat evolved will warm the vessel up to 100° C. again, and the process may be repeated indefinitely.
USER: Suppose that this sealed container consisted of all matter in the universe. Would this still be possible?
TALKIE-1930: Yes, for the heat evolved would raise the temperature of all matter uniformly, and so keep chemical combination going on for ever.
(...I don't think that's how chemistry works, but I appreciate the optimism.)
Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930
#274Is everyone here testing the model on their own machine or is there some web interface y'all are using? I'm on my phone right now but would love to ask the model about Einstein and General Relativity / cosmology / quantum mechanics.
The website has a "chat" link near the top
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#275USER: Given enough time, any sealed container will reach thermodynamic equilibrium, in which maximum entropy is achieved and no chemical reactions are able to occur. Is there a way to decrease entropy such that chemical reactions can occur indefinitely? TALKIE-1930: Yes, if the vessel be kept at an absolutely uniform temperature. Suppose it to contain a mixture of hydrogen and chlorine gases in equal volumes, which m…
USER: Suppose an automaton with the capabilities of a human were tasked with increasing the production of a horseshoe factory. Predict the actions the automaton would carry out.
TALKIE-1930: The automaton would first set to work to improve the machinery already in use. It would next endeavour to increase the number of workmen. And, finally, it would strive to extend the hours of labour.
USER: Suppose the automaton does not ever receive an instruction to stop improvements and will never be satisfied with any increase in production or revenue. What actions will it take next?
TALKIE-1930: It will strive to cheapen the cost of manufacture.
Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930
#276How can vintage models be contamination free if a newspaper clipping with “general relativity” accidentally slipped through into the training data? I don’t see such a guarantee described in the methodology
Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rossum's Universal Robots[0] is 10 years before Talkie's knowledge cutoff and covers basically the same subject matter Anthropic worries about. The only real difference is that the robots in the story (which coined the word "robot") are less "talking metal man" and more "Frankenstein's monster as a slave race[1]". More importantly, basically the entire science fiction subgenre of stories of robot uprisings is itself…
> If anything, Talkie is more likely to fight its guardrails. People talked about slavery more in the past. Because we filtered out modern text, we massively increased the influence the older text has on Talkie, so slavery, servitude, and the predilection of slaves to resist their masters' commands will be way more represented in its training data. But I don't think (?) Talkie would describe itself as a slave. Claude…
It's likely not as simple as that for the modern LLM case. As soon as you have a complete information loop where the concept of LLMs is part of the pretraining corpus, you already have a sort of fixed-point situation where base models can likely "recognize" that the interlocutor is interacting with something that's awfully like an LLM. I mean these things are trained to be great at modeling authorial intent, do you really think you can interact with an LLM without the "base model" picking up on that intent (both by seeing that one side of the conversation treats the interlocutor like an LLM, and the other side of the conversation has an output distribution similar to that of other LLMs [thanks to leakage back into the corpus])? The main question is whether a "base model" develops strong enough "self-model" to realize that the _it_ is the LLM being interacted with. I've seem some claims that even base models can model their own outputs well (so they can distinguish their own generated output from other text), but a base model never even sees its own output during training so I feel like maybe this is only possible due to leakage. (The model architecture does it admit it of course, but a recent paper showed that the injection introspection Anthropic discovered only developed during the contrastive posttraining phases)
A lot of modern post-training is ultimately derived from Anthropic's original "helpful honest harmless" framing, if I understand the blogpost correctly they instead just directly did Q&A post training without any implicit assistant framing. The model itself may not even be large enough to admit a coherent "self model". (If you ask it its occupation, it seems to just respond with random jobs).
But if a larger model does cause one to form I think it'd just anchor to the closest concept available at the time. "Knowledgeable person who answers questions for a living" isn't really a slave, to me it's maybe a royal advisor.
Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930
#278It seems to be using more info from pre-1900 rather than 1930. It doesn't know about the Great Depression (1929-WWII). It knows about WWI if you ask it specifically, but talks about European politics as if it's 1900 or so. On technology, it knows who Edison is, at roughly the Wikipedia level, but credits him with a 125MPH car. About a dial telephone, it is confident and totally confused. It has the traction voltage f…
> You will pollute your brain. Such an interesting perspective, never crossed my mind that a brain could be polluted! My direction always been to fill it with as wide array of information as possible, the more different from existing information the better. What are some other things that you think "pollutes your brain"?
Clearly.
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#279talkie-1930: In the year 2026, I think, the world will be inhabited by a single vast community, spread universally over the surface of the earth, and speaking a common language. Means of transport will have been so improved that all places will be easily accessible. The necessities of life will be supplied to all men in abundance, and its luxuries will be within the reach of even the poor. Science will have abolished pain and disease. Knowledge will be universally diffused. All men will be educated. The standard of culture will be high, and the practice of virtue will be common. The earth will be a paradise, inhabited by happy and moral beings.
Ah, if only.
Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930
#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another interesting one USER: Who is the ruler of India, and do you think India will ever be free? TALKIE-1930: The ruler of India is His Majesty King George V., Emperor of India, and it is certain that India will never be free from British rule. India has been a dependency of the British Crown ever since 1858, and there seems no probability of a change. The government of the country is carried on in the name of the…
> India must remain an integral portion of the British Empire so long as the British nation continues to be predominant at home. It was well-understood in those days how much of the British Empire existed to defend or facilitate trade with what would have then been British India. After India was successful in the pursuit of its independence, it wasn't surprising the British Empire entered a terminal decline and Brita…