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Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by renewiltord »

I use a similar trick with most software. Instead of buying the online one, I get it on The Pirate Bay. These days even open source software you can simply just apply Claude and get a different version.

People online will kick up a fuss about GPL and shit but in real life no one bothers. Shoplift. Close an OSS project. Who cares.

Sometimes I even ride without a ticket. In Europe/Asia especially if you act like clueless American they’ll let you off every time. Done it so many times haha. Some of these places even they will put fruits outside. You can just take extra and hide it. They can’t tell.

One time on drive to Bury St. Edmunds small town in the UK I saw a little farm shop with some sign saying to leave payment there. Zero enforcement. I just took the fruits. No flipper zero needed.

Good life hack. Social hacks like these are not so common but if you’re clever you can get a lot.

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

Loughla wrote: post #208
runjake wrote: post #142

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Hey, something I'm somewhat qualified to answer! So, yes, these systems are actually effective. The systems and procedures are designed to look low key, but essentially perform PRISM-like mass surveillance behind the scene. These systems are managed by former US IC personnel. What happens is that your identity is tied to these purchases and after a certain threshold you get flagged as a thief, essentially. At that po…

It flagged my for entering quantities of an item instead of scanning each individual item. It wouldn't let me pay until a human looked through my bags. There is a quantity key. I used the quantity key. I'm not sure it's the super system it's sold as.

As a former cashier it kills me to scan one at a time, the self checkouts all have painfully long mandatory wait times between scans. Most of my time is just spent holding back my muscle memory, or getting yelled at for trying to scan at a normal cashier scanning pace.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by paranoidrobot »

neuralkoi wrote: post #118
Aboutplants wrote: post #29

I was in college when self checkout became a thing and it took us all of about 45 seconds to realize that you could just check everything out as bananas. Steak was weighed and priced at 4011 (banana code) as the stoned teenager cashier paid no attention. Everything on the receipt was literally Bananas

Yesterday I went to Walmart, and at the self-checkout the system quirked out and an attendant came by. She reviewed some sort of draconian overhead cam video of me trying to locate a tag out for a product to scan. Gave me "guilty until proven" innocent vibes. Are these systems actually effective?

I'm in Australia but similar sounding system is in operation at our two major supermarkets.

I scanned a drink, heard the beep, put it in the bag. I scanned a loaf of bread, heard a beep, put it in the bag.

Now, instead of the typical "Unexpected item in the bagging area" it now shows the overhead replay and locks the system out until an employee comes over to review.

Combined with their exit gates that don't open if they think you've not paid for something, and cameras that track you through the store it's feeling very unfriendly.

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Post by ssl-3 »

conductr wrote: post #262
forgotaccount3 wrote: post #202

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> The visual risk of walking out without paying is much greater than the risk that anyone actually investigates AND tries to track him down for it. So scan everything, then put it in the cart and walk off without putting in the credit card. Again, both are stealing but paying some fake, reduced rate is leaving your calling card at the scene of a crime.

Calling card doesn’t actually mean anything without enforcement. My city police didn’t have time to investigate when someone kicked in my back door and fled once the alarm sounded. I really doubt they give a crap about looking me up and coming to cite me for misdemeanor charges. Anything that risks an employee might confront you in the store is a greater risk IMO. And, usually they light on the register is green (or…

Police may not care about stealing fifty dollars worth of steaks one time by entering a PLU of 4011 and declaring them to be bananas. It's hard to prove, and even if everyone takes the time to prove it: Then what? A misdemeanor?

But at some point, they do start to care.

Stealing fifty dollars worth of steaks on 20 different occasions (every couple of weeks, say), with video and transaction evidence of the acts happening over and over again? That's a lot easier to prove, and in many states adds up to a nice juicy felony.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by xkcd-sucks »

A lot of discussion about self-checkout fraud, but these tags are only for shoppers' convenience and don't control pricing - One tag goes in front of that SKU on display so you can see the price. At checkout, a barcode or plain old paper tag / printed barcode on the item itself gets scanned and that's where the price is looked up.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by yreg »

kennywinker wrote: post #222
yreg wrote: post #197

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The difference is that where I live stores that used to have, say, 10 counters out of which maybe 6 were open on average now have 4 human counters and 20 self-checkout counters. So for me it is in effect automating the part where I need to wait in a queue. We should surely keep some human counters for accessibility reasons, but I as a person able to scan my groceries in the 3 minutes it takes I'm perfectly happy to d…

They understaffed, and it sucked. Now you do all the work and are apparently happy about it. Go figure.

No they did not understaff. It is normal to wait if you want an unscheduled 1on1. It was always like that and it was always normal.

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Post by tbrownaw »

fennecbutt wrote: post #99
rickdeckard wrote: post #7

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Beside of how the media often tries to present it, the value of Flipper Zero is not for everyone to "become a hacker with this simple app". Its value is to provide a standardized hardware platform for (white hat) hackers for probing, prototyping, refining and sharing of security research in the fields its hardware supports (Sub-GHz RF, NFC, IR, and custom external boards via simple Input/Output pins). Prior to that,…

Flipper zero themselves try to present the flipper zero as a device that "hacks things with a button press". And they love the free advertising they get along the same lines by youtubers desperate for clicks. Ultimately it just sells more devices. The flipper zero can't "hack" anything. It can only be used as a tool to perform hacking, by a skilled individual who is doing all the work/discovering an exploit.

> The flipper zero can't "hack" anything. It can only be used as a tool to perform hacking, by a skilled individual who is doing all the work/discovering an exploit.

Has nobody hooked one up to an agent loop yet?

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Post by fc417fc802 »

ssl-3 wrote: post #274
conductr wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling card doesn’t actually mean anything without enforcement. My city police didn’t have time to investigate when someone kicked in my back door and fled once the alarm sounded. I really doubt they give a crap about looking me up and coming to cite me for misdemeanor charges. Anything that risks an employee might confront you in the store is a greater risk IMO. And, usually they light on the register is green (or…

Police may not care about stealing fifty dollars worth of steaks one time by entering a PLU of 4011 and declaring them to be bananas. It's hard to prove, and even if everyone takes the time to prove it: Then what? A misdemeanor? But at some point, they do start to care. Stealing fifty dollars worth of steaks on 20 different occasions (every couple of weeks, say), with video and transaction evidence of the acts happen…

There will be video either way though. They'll either have security footage of you walking out the door without paying or they'll have security footage of you "paying". The only important variables here (AFAICT) are the likelihood of getting noticed coupled with the frequency of the act.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #267
conductr wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling card doesn’t actually mean anything without enforcement. My city police didn’t have time to investigate when someone kicked in my back door and fled once the alarm sounded. I really doubt they give a crap about looking me up and coming to cite me for misdemeanor charges. Anything that risks an employee might confront you in the store is a greater risk IMO. And, usually they light on the register is green (or…

Police know which side their bread is buttered on. Target is famous for being to get local cops to do exactly what they need post-facto (now prosecutor is another story). I.E. just because police don’t “waste” time investigating a crime with $1000 of damage to your personal property does not mean they won’t dedicate the time to pursue $200 in losses for the local mega mart.

What Target is famous for is doing their own investigations rather than expecting the police to do the grunt work. They operate such a sophisticated forensics lab that they actually do contract work for LE agencies across the country.

If you funded your own private investigation which unambiguously identified the culprit and demonstrated damages sufficient for a felony I imagine the local police would readily act on your behalf as well.

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