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Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)

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Re: Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)

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post #71

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As usual, labor saving is only a good idea if the wealth created is distributed throughout society, not redirected to a small group of people.

And it almost always is through cheaper products to the end user.

Prices going down is called deflation.

Re: Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)

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post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Living in South America a bit really showed me this. I think it's a cultural thing here but someone will always give you an answer, even if it's wrong, confidently . It was hard for me at first- I am usually the first person to say "I don't know" (often followed by "but let's slow down and find a good solution").

I've experienced similar with some Southeast Asian cultures as well. I'm a patient person, but it can be frustrating to have to endure 10 minutes of verbal diarrhea that eventually results in a "no" or "I don't know".

I'm genuinely curious if this is a thing with roots in Spanish culture? Because there is strong Spanish influence in Philippines and South America.

I don't know any Spaniards but I do know Filipinos and the confidence projection is a real thing. The Filipino IT guy confidently declared that my OnePlus Android phone wasn't certified for the software he was trying to install and was getting errors. It is a bog standard application that can be installed on any modern Android phone but the level of confidence he projected, just because he didn't know OnePlus as a brand, made me doubt myself until I turned on the critical hat and pushed back a little with alternative approaches, which solved the problem.

Re: Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)

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>INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER Boy, it sure would be nice if real LLMs were capable of giving an answer like that.

hahaha, the irony is that "INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER" requires more intelligence than a confident wrong answer. you have to know what you don't know. current LLMs are optimized to always produce output, which means they've essentially been trained out of epistemic humility.

Asimov's Multivac at least had the dignity to wait.

Re: Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)

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Also recommend The Egg by Andy Weir https://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

This is one of my all time favorites and it fits into the line of recent thought that the universe may be primarily conscious rather than "dead matter and dying energy".

Re: Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)

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If you enjoy this story, you might enjoy the short unpublished novel, "The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect"[1] by Roger Williams. A story where 1990's humans invent a 3-laws-compliant super AI that accidentally "ascends" humanity. We become as gods, or the Q Continuum, but remain a grievously savage child race. Not to spoil it, but the ending also has a broadly similar shape to The Last Question. I say you might enj…

Note that the final chapter is especially disgusting and explicit, to the point it's arguably a better story if you end it on the preceding cliffhanger rather than subject yourself to the characters becoming vehicles for the author's thinly-veiled pedo-incest fetish. Great, thought-provoking SF apart from that (gigantic) flaw, though.

Re: Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)

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It has similarities to a very, very short story by Fredric Brown published two years before. It was called 'Answer' and is only 252 words long: https://www.roma1.infn.it/~anzel/answer.html

Good. So we have a super short story and a short story. Someone should write a book now.

This is novella erasure.

Re: Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)

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The Abruntive Stance. Initiate the "Hand-back Finality", after the heat death.

Similar to the, "let there be light" moment but, it would also include the imprint of the humans own Abruntive Stance, a part that is equally as important as providing the environment, is providing the humans to go along with it.

;-)

Re: Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)

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If you enjoy this story, you might enjoy the short unpublished novel, "The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect"[1] by Roger Williams. A story where 1990's humans invent a 3-laws-compliant super AI that accidentally "ascends" humanity. We become as gods, or the Q Continuum, but remain a grievously savage child race. Not to spoil it, but the ending also has a broadly similar shape to The Last Question. I say you might enj…

Note that the final chapter is especially disgusting and explicit, to the point it's arguably a better story if you end it on the preceding cliffhanger rather than subject yourself to the characters becoming vehicles for the author's thinly-veiled pedo-incest fetish. Great, thought-provoking SF apart from that (gigantic) flaw, though.

Yeah, I thought the main character was a little too insistent about... repopulating. On the other hand, if we're feeling generous we might say the author was intentionally confronting the reader with what is only implied by the Biblical counterpart.
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