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US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#271

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I would rather them write a bill that says all kids are provided lunches at schools ("free lunch" if you will). I believe that would help kids out much more than this shit bill would.

Feed, cloth and educate our population? What's next? Structure society in a way that benefits the people? How horrifying!

panem et circenses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#272

Well I'm going to keep using GrapheneOS and whatever version(s) of Linux refuse to comply. Makes me even more glad that I've already transitioned off Windows.

Just make your OS say you are 99. This is all fine until they put some Id verification in. Then anything open is cooked.

Sounds like a business opportunity. A simple tool to create an ID that passes checks with any information on it you'd like.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#273

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I got a house with a 25-year roof, an indestructible Japanese shitbox car I can repair myself from scrap if I have to, and enough in the bank at three to five percent to pay my taxes, all of my hobbies, eating steak every day if I wanted and my share of the universal multi-payer health care system in my country. That puts me for the rest of my life at a level of fuck you. And if the system breaks down, I’m just going…

Breathtaking entitlement, self-righteousness, and arrogance. Arrogance is usually a defense mechanism that you can't fix with logic... people use it to shield themselves from their own insecurities so they don't feel inadequate or threatened. If you can't see your own flaws, you can't understand why others don't like your behavior. "As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding."

> Breathtaking entitlement, self-righteousness, and arrogance.

Oh stop it. You’re breathtaking!

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#274
"To require operating system providers to verify the age of any user of an operating system, and for other purposes."

- And For Other Purposes.

am i the only one seeing that?

i see a lot of discussion pro and con age verification, there should be much more concern about the purpose of that phrase for other puposes.

is some one actually trying to sneak a catch all like that into it, or is it a bargaining chip. [see we removed "for other purposes", its all better, now we can pass it]

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#275

Based on the few snippets quoted in the article, I think as written this bill gets closer to a good, privacy-preserving, non-authoritarian version of "age verification" than any of the attempts so far. What it seems to be aiming for is essentially mandatory parental controls at the OS level. No ID checking or government/third party involvement, it just uses whatever age the parents enter when they set up the device/u…

So it's just an OS-level "I am over 18" checkbox. Essentially useless, except for removing liability from social media companies. As far as they know, every single device accessing their site legally testified they are over 18.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#276
Here's the bill straight from congress.gov:

https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr8250/BILLS-119hr8250ih....

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250...

It's short and in plain language. The article is longer than the bill. Here's the totality of the requirements:

(a) REQUIREMENTS.—An operating system provider, with respect to any operating system of such provider, shall carry out the following:

(1) Require any user of the operating system to provide the date of birth of the user in order to—

(A) set up an account on the operating system; and

(B) use the operating system.

(2) If the relevant user of the operating system is under 18 years of age, require a parent or legal guardian of the user to verify the date of birth of the user.

(3) Develop a system to allow an app developer to access any information as is necessary, collected by the operating system to carry out this section and any regulation promulgated under this section, to verify the date of birth of a user of an app of the app developer.

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This part from REGULATIONS is also nominally important:

(B) Data protection standards related to how an operating system provider shall ensure date of birth collected by the operating system provider from a user, or the parent or legal guardian of the user, to carry out this section and any regulation promulgated under this secion—

(i) is collected in a secure manner to maintain the privacy of the user or the arent or legal guardian of the user; and

(ii) is not stolen or breached.

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Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#277

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> Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Because in their eyes your children are not your children. You are simply a custodian of their future work force asset. If you educate your children too much into individualism, they (today’s politicians) may see a diminished return of whatever they want to a…

Translation: government is the problem not the solution.

the governemnt is the only thing holding even worse things back.

those even worse things have tried very, very hard to obstruct, slow, impede, and ruin government trust so they can enforce their monopolies.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#278

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Hard disagree. Corporations running the government instead of a nation's people is the problem.

Government should be so powerless as to be unattractive targets for corporate influence.

a government not worth of influence is not a government

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#279

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This. We need to stop calling this “age verification.” You are uploading your full ID. Not your age.

Where does it say a "full ID" must be uploaded?

how do you validate citizenship and authenticity without a full ID?

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#280

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Hard disagree. Corporations running the government instead of a nation's people is the problem.

Government should be so powerless as to be unattractive targets for corporate influence.

That just creates a power vacuum that corporate techno-feudalists (or violence specialists) fill in.

It's not a solution to anything.

For example of powerless governments - look at literally any war-torn African country and their standard of living.

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