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Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by menaerus »

flux3125 wrote: post #210
jmathai wrote: post #183

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After 25 years of writing code in vim, I've found myself managing a bunch of terminal sessions and trying to spot issues in pull requests. I wouldn't have thought this could be the case and it took me actually embracing it before I was fully sold. Maybe not a popular opinion but I really do believe... - code quality as we previously understood will not be a thing in 3-5 years - IDEs will face a very sharp decline in…

Code quality and IDEs aren't going anywhere, especially in complex enterprise systems. AI has improved a lot, but we're still far from a "forget about code" world.

I don't think we are. We will not be able to keep the peace with code production velocity and I anticipate that focus will be moved strongly to testing and validation

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by keeganpoppen »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #218

Codex is HN's darling now because Anthropic lowered rate limits for individuals due to compute constraints. OAI has so few enterprise users they can afford to subsidize compute for this group a lot more than Anthropic. Eventually once they have more users they'll do the same thing as Anthropic, of course. It's all a transparent PR play and it's kind of absurd to see the X/HN crowd fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

everyone seems to unconditionally love anthropic, but openai has always had the best models… it just requires a bit more effort on behalf of the user to actually leverage it.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by kar1181 »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #218

Codex is HN's darling now because Anthropic lowered rate limits for individuals due to compute constraints. OAI has so few enterprise users they can afford to subsidize compute for this group a lot more than Anthropic. Eventually once they have more users they'll do the same thing as Anthropic, of course. It's all a transparent PR play and it's kind of absurd to see the X/HN crowd fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

This is true. But Anthropic did us dirty most recently and so it’s their turn on the pitch fork. Sam will do us too. Just not yet.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by w2df »

paganel wrote: post #195
noelsusman wrote: post #122

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Just yesterday my non-technical spouse had to solve a moderately complex scheduling problem at work. She gave the various criteria and constraints to Claude and had a full solution within a few minutes, saving hours of work. It ended up requiring a few hundred lines of Python to implement a scheduling optimization algorithm. She only vaguely knows what Python is, but that didn't matter. She got what she needed. For n…

There's no such big opportunity, as the number of programmers' spouses is quite limited. Again, and as the GP rightly suggested, some of the HN-ers here need to go and touch some normie grass, so to speak. More to the point, nobody wants to be more efficient for the sake of being efficient, we all want to go to work, do our metaphorical 9 to 5 without consuming too much (intellectual and not only) energy, and then ba…

correct. you cant trust this place for realistic takes - I had a post re. financial stuff downvoted when a former Investment Banker chimed in to back me up.

Comical. Truly comical.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by realusername »

vlapec wrote: post #204
realusername wrote: post #153

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It's reminds me what happened with Frontpage, ultimately people are going to learn the same lesson, there's no replacement for the source code.

In UI, I’m pretty sure that replacement is already here. We’ll be lucky if at least backend stays a place where people still care about the actual source.

I'd say the opposite, the frontend code is so complex these days that you can't escape the source code.

If you stick to tailwind + server side rendered pages you can probably go pretty far with just AI and no code knowledge but once you introduce modern TS tooling, I don't think it's enough anymore.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by antimatter15 »

krackers wrote: post #238
firloop wrote: post #212

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I don't think Claude has this part yet: > With background computer use, Codex can now use all of the apps on your computer by seeing, clicking, and typing with its own cursor. Multiple agents can work on your Mac in parallel, without interfering with your own work in other apps.

>background computer use How does that even work technically? macOS doesn't support multiple cursors. On native Cocoa apps you can pass input to a window without raising via command+click so possibly they synthesized those events, but fewer and fewer apps support that these days. And AppleScript is basically dead, so they can't be using that either. I also read they acquired the Sky team (who I think were former Appl…

I remember looking trying to build something like this 6 years ago[0]. There are some interesting APIs for injecting click/keystroke events directly into Cocoa, and other APIs for reading framebuffers for apps that aren't in the foreground.

In particular there was some prior art that I found for doing it from the OpenQwaQ project, which was a GPLv2 3D virtual world project in Squeak/Smalltalk started by Alan Kay[1] back in 2011.

If I recall correctly, it worked well for native apps, but didn't work well for Chromium/Electron apps because they would use an API for grabbing the global mouse position rather than reading coordinates from events.

[0]: https://github.com/antimatter15/microtask/blob/master/cocoa/... [1]: https://github.com/OpenFora/openqwaq/blob/189d6b0da1fb136118...

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by greenchair »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #149
simplyluke wrote: post #138

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Easily less than 10% of my time spent using a phone today involves making phone calls, and I think that's far from an outlier. You'll cause mild panic in a sizable share of people under 30 if you call them without a warning text.

On the flip side, I cause a medium panic in my daughter when I text "please call me when you can" without a why attached. She assumes someone's in the hospital or dying or something.

Yes like those people who send meeting invites with generic or useless title and no agenda or topic text in the invite. I'm not attending.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by simplyluke »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #149
simplyluke wrote: post #138

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Easily less than 10% of my time spent using a phone today involves making phone calls, and I think that's far from an outlier. You'll cause mild panic in a sizable share of people under 30 if you call them without a warning text.

On the flip side, I cause a medium panic in my daughter when I text "please call me when you can" without a why attached. She assumes someone's in the hospital or dying or something.

My mom had to lay down a rule that if I called her at a weird hour I needed to open with whether or not I was okay. Almost 30 now and still do the same thing.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by cjbarber »

louiereederson wrote: post #254
cjbarber wrote: post #67

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> Maybe but the product category is not necessarily a monolith in the same way that Claude Code is. These general purpose tools will have to action across a heterogeneous set of enterprise systems/tools. What would make it not be a monolith? To me it seems like there'll be a big advantage (e.g. in distribution, user understanding) for most people to be using the same product / similar interface. And then the agent an…

I mean there is a runtime layer that needs to be developed, and some of it may live in CC/Codex and some might live in the various enterprise systems. Someworkflow automations and some amount of the semantic layer may for instance exist in your CRM/ERP/data platform. Yes the front-end would be owned by the chat interface, but part of the solution may exist in the various enterprise systems. This would be closer to a…

Thanks for answering!

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by intended »

cjbarber wrote: post #102
intended wrote: post #86

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> My current expectation is that the Cowork/Codex set of "professional agents" for non-technical users will be one of the most important and fastest growing product categories of all time, so far. I disagree. There is a major gap between awesome tech and market uptake. At this point, the question is whether LLMs are going to be more useful than excel. AI enthusiasts are 100% sure that it’s already more useful than ex…

> market uptake. I think the market uptake of Claude Cowork is already massive.

Estimated users are at 18-30 mn, and we are talking about non-technical users.
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