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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by daytonix »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #245
daytonix wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do get that. Both parties are clearly bad. But one in particular is and was yelling from the rooftops about how they were going to destroy civil liberties of certain groups, and are now doing exactly what they promised. Everyone must simultaneously fight for a better system and choose the least-worst option when it comes time for an election.

The one that forced people into their homes, required proof of medical operation to shop at stores, and tries to abolish my second amendment rights? Or the one that god forbid is deporting people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

also how do you reconcile your belief in second amendment rights with alex pretti's death at the hands of ice, an organization empowered by the current admin?

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Post by smallmancontrov »

metrix wrote: post #215
pjc50 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What they meant is "freedom to say slurs", not "freedom of LGBT books in school libraries"

Being trans, I feel this so much. On a side note, it was interesting after Trump was elected where some of my co-workers wanted to use old pronouns after some laws changed _in meetings_ and I realized the only thing stopping them was the awkwardness it would have been for _them_ in that situation

In the Before Times, I thought that asking Americans to mind pronouns would never work -- not because they were mean, but because it would require the average American to learn what a "pronoun" was.

Of course, it turned out that the average American had no problem learning what a pronoun was if it gave them the opportunity to be mean. Sigh.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by Dylan16807 »

gman83 wrote: post #255
sam345 wrote: post #181

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Is that really what you're concerned about that somebody would ask a soft ball question about proposed solutions? Why is questioning the buildup of brush a crazy idea? It's been a mainstream concern for years. I really don't think it's healthy for any inquiry to propose a particular mindset and shut down alternative thinking. It doesn't seem very scientific or intelligent to me.

The issue is that the rhetorical game being played is that by saying the risk is all due to the buildup of combustible materials, it shifts the blame to California's Democratic politicians and away from Republican fossil fuel donors. Clearly in a good faith discussion we'd suggest better forest management, as well as doing everything possible to combat fossil fuel emissions. The problem is that it's not a good faith…

Am I dumb to think that the main worry from fossil fuels right now is CO2, not air quality? (at least while environmental regulations are still mostly intact) It seems reasonable to me to ask about forest management for air quality.

Maybe there was some other sign they didn't ask in good faith? But I have no idea what dumb thing trump said you're even talking about.

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Post by oceansky »

FireBeyond wrote: post #223
pjc50 wrote: post #199

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> And are you also going to suggest that the Constitution does not protect foreign nationals inside the US? I thought it was settled constitutional law that it doesn't? Moreover, during the war on terror, it was established that the president can freely order the murder of non Americans outside the US.

Not even remotely. Citizens may be granted additional protections from some things, but the Constitution applies to all persons inside the US.

Might apply to people outside of US too, given that Maduro is being tried in NY for drug and firearm charges while never having set foot in US before.

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Post by tclancy »

BeetleB wrote: post #265
smallmancontrov wrote: post #47

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Migrating is such a good feeling. You don't have to do it all at once, either: I migrated to fastmail over the course of several years. Each time google did something that got my blood pressure up I went into my password manager and migrated another account. In aggregate it was a hassle, but these days I almost miss the feeling of being able to do something in response to stinky actions from google.

Anticipation of stories like this are why I didn't rely much on Google 20 years ago. Never used Gmail other than as a throwaway account. Went many years before I had a Youtube account. Finally made one to upload some videos. I am normally not logged in. (OK, OK - I was more concerned with them suddenly charging for a "free" service, as well as selling data to commercial enterprises than with them giving to the govern…

What will the world be like in 2046?

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Post by LtWorf »

WalterBright wrote: post #217
dkural wrote: post #135

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Different rules apply to members of the military stationed on a treaty-based foreign military base. However, as a thought experiment, let's go with your flawed analogy: Even then, this person was acting like a guest -- it is a long-cherished American tradition to exercise our constitutionally-protected right to free speech, assemble, and yes, protest. Nothing's more American than speaking against Government oppressio…

> Different rules apply to members of the military stationed on a treaty-based foreign military base. Members of the military and their families stationed in a foreign country are required to behave as guests of the host country. This is not a joke and is not taken lightly by the command. Also, an officer who cannot control the behavior of his family is not fit to be an officer. Maybe things have changed since I was…

> This is not a joke and is not taken lightly by the command.

You can murder 20 people and not even go to jail if you are in the US army in an european base.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidente_della_funivia_del_Ce...

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Post by traderj0e »

fluidcruft wrote: post #208
jfoworjf wrote: post #99

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That puts some responsibility on you to provide more context for your comments as extra signals of authenticity.

No it doesn't. I don't care how many HN comments you have.

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Post by pessimizer »

sam345 wrote: post #181
hn_acc1 wrote: post #129

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I'm seeing it in a lot of younger tech people. We had a NASA presentation at work about air quality and that forest fires are one of our biggest problems in CA. TWO separate people (from maybe 20-25 attending) brought up "do you think that if we managed our forests better, this could help?" (clearly talking about the crazy "raking the forests" Trump rhetoric). It blows my mind how "intelligent" people can be this stu…

Is that really what you're concerned about that somebody would ask a soft ball question about proposed solutions? Why is questioning the buildup of brush a crazy idea? It's been a mainstream concern for years. I really don't think it's healthy for any inquiry to propose a particular mindset and shut down alternative thinking. It doesn't seem very scientific or intelligent to me.

Notice how pro-free speech = pro-clearing brush buildup?

It's so weird how people join these partisan factions that have a full package of beliefs that you have to be evil not to share. Woe to your job if you say that you think brush buildup should be cleared; you're obviously racist.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by Spooky23 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #205
eurleif wrote: post #104

The linked Google policy states: >We won’t give notice when legally prohibited under the terms of the request. The post states that his lawyer has reviewed the subpoena, but doesn't mention whether or not it contained a non-disclosure order. That's an important detail to address if the claim is that Google acted against its own policy.

Administrative subpoenas are tenuous at best, but in the absence of an actual court order, words from ICE attorneys or officers saying "You are ordered not to disclose the details of this subpoena" have no actual weight in law.

The article pointed this out as well, but notably did not state that Google had in fact received an administrative subpoena.
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