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Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by gunsle »

spwa4 wrote: post #265
Ygg2 wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Past performance doesn't guarantee future performance. Otherwise xkcd https://xkcd.com/605/ would be true.

Using stock market wisdom to criticize the US, and defend "multipolar" countries like China and Russia? Love it!

You’ll never get an honest conversation on this topic from these people. They’ve been allowing themselves to steep in America bad doomer “news” content for decades to the point these people can’t tell up from down. Every year the discussions here get closer and closer to Reddit slop, with the same exact talking points and acceptable spectrum of ideas.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by gunsle »

oaiey wrote: post #252
coliveira wrote: post #169

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It's not the current administration that started this process. The US has for decades gone against the Europeans, step after step, asserting policies that only favor US companies. In the past however, the US administrations sugarcoated this fact with the language of cooperation. The current US government is now laying bare the fact that they're creating a political system where all technology and resources are contro…

This. This is something which the current administration does not understand. We Europeans have done what Washington says for 80 years. We are behaving like a colony. We let the US have bases here, we follow their economical model, the petro dollar and let them suck the wealth out of Europe. You want military bases on Greenland: ask friendly, we already said yes in the 50s. You want overflight rights for your wars: w…

You guys have to bend over because you willfully sold out your constituents and dissolved competition in the name of anti racism gloablism. You guys could have had the same thriving tech sector anyone else does. There’s no conspiracy to keep you guys down. You do that to yourself, while simultaneously waxing poetic about how much better you are than Americans with your social programs. Well turns out you can either have your guaranteed social programs where no one ever has to truly work hard, or you can have economic growth. You guys made your choice 30+ years ago, you only have yourselves to blame.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by gunsle »

vrganj wrote: post #237
drnick1 wrote: post #187

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> recentering the global economy around itself. Wishful thinking.

Europe is now at the center of the world's largest free trade zone of two billion people. That is objective fact, not a wish.

Okay genius now go look at the gdp of your European states compared with Texas alone. No one cares how many people you manage when your economic policy is so hilariously incompetent you’ve had 2+ decades of total stagnation during one of the biggest economic tech booms ever.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by gunsle »

YZF wrote: post #207
x3ro wrote: post #198

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Yes exactly, just like the.. uhm.. the British Empire could not have possibly declined? Your point is that, because the U.S. has big companies and wealth, it can't be a sinking ship? Because to me this seems like a straw-man. What I'm saying is that the U.S. is currently in decline, and many will agree with me. Where this leads your (I'm assuming) country, nobody knows. But to me, it doesn't look great.

I'm not American. But I guess I feel part of the US led western world order. The US has big companies and wealth because it has the right ecosystem to create those. The US is in decline is a meme. Decline can't be measured over short intervals. Maybe it is maybe it isn't. We'll see in 5 decades. One thing I'm pretty sure about is that this decline of the US that many seem to be excited for and wishing here, if or whe…

It’s a losing battle trying to convince these Reddit refugees that they are the cause of their own stagnation and that yes they’ve all benefited from the American global order. These people wish for the destruction of American hegemony but have literally no idea how bad things will get economically were their childish ideations reality.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by gunsle »

vrganj wrote: post #165
slibhb wrote: post #148

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Performative anti-Americanism has become one of the major features of European culture (and especially French culture).

As a European, the Anti-Americanism is not performative. It's a deep disconnect in values, brought to the forefront by the current administration and the oligarchs running wild. America used to be seen as an example, the big brother watching out for us. Now it's a cautionary tale of greed, hubris and societal decay, as well as an increasingly antagonistic actor of global instability. Y'all ruined your reputation and…

There’s nothing more hilarious to me than neck beard euros waxing poetic about America doing them dirty while simultaneously using “ya’ll” in the very same post. I’ve never once heard a European say ya’ll and I’ve met a lot of them.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by sveme »

gunsle wrote: post #271
spwa4 wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using stock market wisdom to criticize the US, and defend "multipolar" countries like China and Russia? Love it!

You’ll never get an honest conversation on this topic from these people. They’ve been allowing themselves to steep in America bad doomer “news” content for decades to the point these people can’t tell up from down. Every year the discussions here get closer and closer to Reddit slop, with the same exact talking points and acceptable spectrum of ideas.

Do you really think the American empire is never to be challenged? Everything and everyone goes down after a while. Whether it‘s now is unclear, though the active resentment against the US is unprecedented.

Sadly, your comment lacks any substance to argue with, all there is are unsubstantiated ad hominems. Sad.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by coole-wurst »

gunsle wrote: post #272
oaiey wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. This is something which the current administration does not understand. We Europeans have done what Washington says for 80 years. We are behaving like a colony. We let the US have bases here, we follow their economical model, the petro dollar and let them suck the wealth out of Europe. You want military bases on Greenland: ask friendly, we already said yes in the 50s. You want overflight rights for your wars: w…

You guys have to bend over because you willfully sold out your constituents and dissolved competition in the name of anti racism gloablism. You guys could have had the same thriving tech sector anyone else does. There’s no conspiracy to keep you guys down. You do that to yourself, while simultaneously waxing poetic about how much better you are than Americans with your social programs. Well turns out you can either h…

California and Israel have an unparalleled tech sector. I don't think it's correct to imply that it is an easily achievable feat or that every country could attain that.

>Well turns out you can either have your guaranteed social programs where no one ever has to truly work hard, or you can have economic growth. You guys made your choice 30+ years ago, you only have yourselves to blame.

That is somewhat true. World Happiness Report has the US at 23rd place, only 7 countries higher than it are not European (despite most having lower GDP/capita). I think Europe is mostly contend with this outcome.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by wolvoleo »

idoubtit wrote: post #108

The chain of facts makes me sad: 1. The French government announces its digital agency is to write a plan, by the end of the year, so that France could reduce its extra-European dependencies. The communiqué is wrapped up with minor facts (e.g. the digital agency is to switch to Linux on dozens of computers) and big promises from Ministers. 2. Various news sites state that "France is ditching Windows", at least in the…

They are already part of the way. They use "la suite" pretty extensively, it's an office suite based on open source components.

Migrating from windows as an OS is a logical next step.

Also the gendarmerie has their own dedicated Linux distribution for all their workstations as you mentioned. The French certainly have put in the work. It's not just talk.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by wolvoleo »

gunsle wrote: post #269
bigfudge wrote: post #161

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Those attempts happened before the US really made such a concrete demonstration it was a security and strategic risk though. That was back in the good old days where they at least pretended to be strategic partners. It's good to be sceptical, but the US really does present a clear danger to the EU and UK now (and the rest of the world). I'm hopeful that this will actually materialise this time, and that Munich and Bi…

The Reddit tier anti America FUD on this site never fails to get a chuckle out of me. Every single day the discussion here gets lower and lower quality.

I think you underestimate how much trump is undermining trust in the US.

Pulling out of agreements, unilaterally starting unnecessary wars (and then whining that nobody participates), screwing up the world economy and oil markets, threatening tariffs on a whim, threatening Greenland. Trying to push conservative values on the rest of the world (eg companies with inclusion policies get blacklisted)

And this distrust is not going to go away even when a sane government replaces him. The American people already elected Trump twice. It's very clear that another similar president can be elected at any moment. It's not just Trump, there's a whole movement behind him that's not going to go away, like the heritage Foundation. The long-term trust is gone. And it's not coming back unless something substantially changes in the US which is very doubtful.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by vrganj »

gunsle wrote: post #273
vrganj wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is now at the center of the world's largest free trade zone of two billion people. That is objective fact, not a wish.

Okay genius now go look at the gdp of your European states compared with Texas alone. No one cares how many people you manage when your economic policy is so hilariously incompetent you’ve had 2+ decades of total stagnation during one of the biggest economic tech booms ever.

GDP is absolutely meaningless, as is the tech bubble.
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