Another marketing gimmik...
OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
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Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#272Let’s see how long until this is flagged off the front page. I’ll put the over/under at 1 hour from the posted time
It won't be, because it is marketing, and we are eating it up.
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#273A section 203 equivalent for AI is so important as it is one of the reasons all of the US companies have all of these usage restrictions and gives more reasons for them to ban your account since they want to minimize legal risk.
Holding tool manufacturers liable for how their tool is used provides bad incentives towards the users of tools.
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#274I have made both GPT 5.4 and Opus 4.6 produce me content on creating neurotoxic agents from items you can get at most everyday stores. It struggled to suggest how to source phosphorus, but eventually lead me to some ebay listings that sell phosphorus elemental 'decorations' and also lead me towards real!! blackmarket codewords for sourcing such materials. It coached me how to: stay safe, what materials I need, how to…
While scary, information like this has been pretty accessible for 20-30 years now. In the wild west days of the early internet, there were whole forums devoted to "stuff the government doesn't want you to know" (Temple Of The Screaming Electron, anyone?). I suppose the friction is scariest part, every year the IQ required to end the world drops by a point, but motivated and mildly intelligent people have been able to…
Accessible is one thing; _easily_ accessible is another.
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes fortunately it is really bad at actually making novel bioweapons or syntheses in general so whatever you made probably wouldn't do more than give someone a mild headache.
I am not so sure about that, trial and error can produce very dangerous results especially over the span of years or even decades.
if you're a layman "trial and error"ing bioweapons off chatgpt, you're not going to be around for decades
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#276I have made both GPT 5.4 and Opus 4.6 produce me content on creating neurotoxic agents from items you can get at most everyday stores. It struggled to suggest how to source phosphorus, but eventually lead me to some ebay listings that sell phosphorus elemental 'decorations' and also lead me towards real!! blackmarket codewords for sourcing such materials. It coached me how to: stay safe, what materials I need, how to…
Hell, I got Sonnet to write some light content that gets a 100% Human score on Pangram with no effort. That’s way more concerning to me, IMO.
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the "guns don't kill people" equivalent for AIs. --- Before the pitchforks and downvotes: - yes, it's a deliberate simplification - yes, the issue is complex because you can also argue that you can't blame authors of encyclopedias and chemistry books for bombs and poisons, so why would we blame providers of LLMs - and no, this bill is only introduced to cover everyone's assess when, not if, LLMs use results in l…
Quite an appropriate analogy: gun manufacturers were sued for their responsibility in US mass shootings. They won, so the mass shootings continue.
Wait, you think that if we shut down the gun companies the mass shootings would stop?
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#278Am I alone in thinking this is easy?
The human making the decision is always liable.
What if the human couldn't reasonably know better? Doesn't matter - If they made the same decision without AI or with old files it is still on them.
What if there's no single human decision? Someone is in charge and is responsible. The "I was ordered to" isn't a defense.
Does liability without power make sense? People executing have the power to execute. So liability. If they're executing without power that is a different liability, but a liability.
It may let the powerful off the hook - That is already a theme and AI doesn't change that, in fact, it will just be used as another scapegoat.
God told me to do it - Water tight! Right?
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#279Illinois also has a Bill in committee right now to mandate operating system level age verification. There are lots of bad ideas to be upset about this year. If you are an Illinois resident, email your representative about HB 5511 today. Stupid legislation like this passes because we don’t speak up. Find out who your representative is, find their email, tell them your opinion.
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#280As an Iowan, this reminds me a lot of the bill that's been pushed through my state's senate twice now (as recently as last year), which would prevent Iowans from filing lawsuits against pesticide and herbicide companies if those companies follow the EPA's labeling guidelines. The bill passed the senate both times, only stopped because the house declined to take it up. For context, Iowa has the fastest growing rate of…
Honest question, isn't that like OK? Like if you have a product, and the government says the product is ok, and it's labeled per regulation and later that product turns out to be deleterious to people's health should the company be liable? Guess we should already have precedent but my google-fu is failing here. I can't seem to find the resolution of Felix-Lozano v. Nalge Nunc , Felix sued Nalgene over their use of BP…
> Like if you have a product, and the government says the product is ok, and it's labeled per regulation and later that product turns out to be deleterious to people's health should the company be liable?
But like, what if you like, totally bribed the shit out government people and like totally fabricated scientific evidence to make it seem like it was safe but then you sold it anyway?
Aren't you then like a total piece of shit?