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Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by piskov »

jbverschoor wrote: post #171
ericholscher wrote: post #167

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This is exactly what I do -- but I have space split up by persona (Personal, work 1, work 2, Play), and then each space is managed with Moom. Love it.

You will still run into shit when one application instance is used in two spaces Finder, chromes, etc. it will cause automatic switching. Also, cmd-tab doesn’t have a filtered mode for the active space Cmd-~ actually works better when using stage manager, because it goed through all active windows across all apps

In system settings for desktop and dock you may want to experiment with:

1. When switch into an application switch to a space with open Windows for the application.

2. Automatically rearrange space is based on most recent use.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by albertjs »

I've been using option 1 (reduced motion) since I got my first MacBook years ago. Trying to fix the browser issue you mentioned is how I discovered Chrome flags. I now `open` chrome with the `--force-prefers-no-reduced-motion` flag.

This looks great though, will give it a go!

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by piskov »

interpol_p wrote: post #192
piskov wrote: post #102

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You don’t get it Spaces are not for fullscreen but for basically virtual desktops i3 linux style Here is superior user experience: 1. Install moom. Its keyboard windows arrangement is second to none. Its two-step tiling is a killer. Ie caps-a to show a popup with all the shortcuts, then “a” letter for vertical 1/3 of the screen. Or s for middle 2/3. Or q for top left third — you can assign any letter for any portion…

I tried to live like this for a while but found I could not separate applications into spaces I would try setting up a space for, eg, all my communication stuff. But suddenly I’d need to drag-and-drop an image from my image editor into Slack. Or I’d want to drag a graphic from Safari into Final Cut Pro. Or any number of cross-workspace operations How do you handle this with spaces? Do you initiate the drag, tap the s…

> Do you initiate the drag, tap the space hot key, then drop?

Yes.

That’s why with trackpads I enable three fingers for dragging, so I don’t need to press anything

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Also if you drag your file and hold on app’s icon in dock, it will show that app

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by mschulze »

u_fucking_dork wrote: post #132
ryanmcbride wrote: post #119

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I've heard this advice before and I've tried it, and I really didn't notice a difference. I also, unfortunately, use swipe to type a lot. If I'm typing one handed I'm pretty much always using swipe. Sure it barely works, but that's the same as if I was typing normally so feels like a wash.

Keyboard works fine. Always has. iPhone just has so many users that there's going to be a plethora of passionate unpleasable nerds for every single facet of it. Even in your ideal virtual keyboard version, there was an army of people complaining that it wasn't a hardware keyboard.

Nice strawman, and unnecessary attack. I'm using iPhones since the 3GS, and from time to time type on an Android and the keyboard on iOS _sucks_. As someone else wrote, I am loathing to chat with someone on the phone and rather switch to my laptop.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by coldpie »

bigfudge wrote: post #105
phren0logy wrote: post #10

Having been ruined by Linux options like Hyperland and Niri, I’m digging my early foray into OmniWM - https://github.com/BarutSRB/OmniWM

As someone who never uses spaces or any window manager, what am I actually missing? What’s wrong with cmd tab and just switching between apps? Is this going to be some Kind of major epiphany?!

> What’s wrong with cmd tab and just switching between apps?

Open 3 terminal windows. Try to switch back & forth between just two of them with a keyboard shortcut (without mentally tracking whether or not to press Shift). You can't.

Open a browser and two terminal windows. Try to switch between one terminal (your editor) and the browser window (your reference docs), without also bringing the other terminal above the browser window, covering up your docs. You can't.

> Is this going to be some Kind of major epiphany?!

If you don't use several windows per app, probably not. But, I do, and macOS's window manager is awful for it.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by PaulHoule »

naikrovek wrote: post #270
drob518 wrote: post #223

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Steve Jobs knew what he wanted and was willing to put his foot down in order to get it. Yea, I’m sure he was difficult to work with and drove people insane, but he was the plumb line that kept Apple driving in (mostly) the right direction. Now, it seems like they have bored designers trying to make a name for themselves with a “new” and “revolutionary” interface in Liquid Glass, which nobody likes and is less usable…

Well, the UI leader behind Liquid Glass is no longer with the company, replaced by a long time Apple employee known for his eye for detail. I do t think Liquid Glass is going to go away soon, Apple doesn’t seem to reverse itself ever, but I do expect Liquid Glass to become better over time. We’ll see what WWDC brings on that front I guess.

My take on it is that in my own work I really like transparency effects but it is always a chore to tune up the foregrounds, backgrounds and alpha blending to keep everything legible. If you control all the content it is one thing, but for a general-purpose OS where the content is supplied by the user and applications you have to dial the intensity way back.

When I first saw the prototype images I thought they were really cool and it was a bold idea though people on this site were complaining about it already for the predictable reasons.

When it came out I was thinking that they dealt with the legibility of the content by dialing down the legibility of the design -- like it looks like "anti-anti-aliasing" more than it looks like "bold transparent vision"

One reason I don't think I read it as "refraction" is that one of my tells for refraction is chromatic aberration and without that it doesn't seem real to me. I think it would triple the texture lookup rate (at least) and make content legibility worse and I think you would see a lot of people say it is was an ugly gimmick.

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Post by lossyalgo »

veber-alex wrote: post #88
qudat wrote: post #74

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It’s insane and the worst part about Mac OS

Window management on macOS is just trash. 3 people from my team recently switched to macOS and they never owned a mac before and they are all complaining about window management. Do you know how dumb it makes me feel to have to tell them they need to install third party apps just to make their system somewhat usable? it's insane.

Have your teammates also discovered how macOS handles copy/pasting a folder when the destination folder already exists? How macOS just deletes the entire contents of the destination folder, instead of merging? I remember discovering that for the first time :(

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by PaulHoule »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #237
harrall wrote: post #133

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My pet opinion is that Steve Jobs was an asshole but an asshole that used his own products and used his powers of complaining to steer the whole ship to fix major "this annoys me everyday" bugs. From my experience, "annoying but not blockers" bugs are often very neglected compared to (1) bugs that actually break things and (2) feature work. Neglecting quality of life issues leads to the "do you even use your product?…

The thing / issue at this point is though: how much is Jobs still responsible for Apple's ongoing success? He died 15 years ago, two years after Apple introduced "flat design" (to much criticism at the time but people got used to it). But after his passing, Apple's market value went from ~500 billion to ~4 trillion today, more than an 8-fold multiplication. I find it hard to believe that his influence was so strong t…

Apple had a few near death experiences and might not have survived.

One of those early near death experiences might have been Jobs fault (going at the Apple /// and the Mac when, in retrospect, the Apple ][ could have been evolved more aggressively) but he helped bring it back from the brink later on.

Android deserves a lot of credit for the success of iOS in that a zombie mobile OS that doesn't have to be profitable has displaced a competitive mobile OS. A similar kind of fragmentation has bedeviled the Windows (and Linux) PC as well as (from the viewpoint of Windows) distractions such as Azure (good business) and XBOX (bad business.)

Intel deserves a lot of credit for the success of Apple too because for 15 years Intel has had no strategy to translate architectural improvements to experienced performance for client PCs. The way they've gone about SIMD is an absolute disaster, like by the time we can use AVX-512 in mainstream software everybody will have moved on to ARM. Charlie Demerjian would talk your ear off about how the tech press has been uncritical about their hyperscaler/HPC patter, never reminding you that client PCs are still the bread and butter of their business -- pander to the likes of Amazon and they will use any cost savings they get to invest in ARM. It's suicide.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by [deleted] »

mort96 wrote: post #261
fifafu wrote: post #259

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> Sadly, solutions like BetterTouchTool and InstantSpaceSwitcher won't work for me because I prefer to use my trackpad to switch spaces. One of BetterTouchTool's first features ~17 years ago was trackpad gesture customization, it is still one of the most important things you can do with BTT! ;-) You'd just need to assign the "Move Right a Space (without animation)" and "Move Left a Space (without animation)" actions…

I don't want it "without animation", I like that the animation tracks my fingers and that the response is instant and doesn't wait until a "gesture" is "triggered". I just want it to wait a second after I let go until the target workspace starts receiving input.

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