The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

Post by oblio » Mon, Apr 06, 2026, 8:52 PM UTC

crooked-v wrote: post #234

rafaelmn wrote: post #193

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TBH Claude Code is surprisingly shit to use given the technical resources and the amount of money behind it. Looking past the bugs and missing features, it's so obvious it's not built by people who care about the product from a developer/craftsman perspective. It's missing all the signs of polish/care, it feels like someone shipped an internal PoC to prod and kept hacking on it. And now they are just tacking on featu…

The most obvious sign to me from the start that somebody wasn't really paying attention to how the Claude app(s) work is that on iOS, you have to leave the app active the entire time a response is streaming or it will error out.

Post by ModernMech » Mon, Apr 06, 2026, 8:53 PM UTC

kypro wrote: post #49

beart wrote: post #17

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AI is non-deterministic. Can it still be considered an abstraction over a deterministic layer?

The argument against this is that human coders are also non-deterministic, so does it really matter if it's a human or an AI agent producing the code – assuming the AI agent is capable of producing human-quality code or better? I agree it's not a layer of abstraction in the traditional sense though. AI isn't an abstraction of existing code, it's a new way to produce code. It's an "abstraction layer" in the same way a…

Post by devy » Mon, Apr 06, 2026, 8:54 PM UTC

bcrosby95 wrote: post #78

semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Bad code works fine until it doesn't. In my experience, with humans, doing the right thing is worth it over doing the bad thing if your time horizon is a few months. Once you're in years, absolutely do the right thing, you're actually throwing time away if you don't. And I don't mean "big refactor", I mean at-change-time, when you think "this change feels like an icky hack." For LLMs, I don't really know. I only have…

Post by zephen » Mon, Apr 06, 2026, 8:55 PM UTC

tombert wrote: post #228

alephnerd wrote: post #221

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This is actually a pretty good callout. Observability into how a foundation model generated product arrived to that state is significantly more important than the underlying codebase, as it's the prompt context that is the architecture.

Yeah, I'm just a little tired of seeing these pull requests of multi-thousand-line pull requests where no one has actually looked at the code. The solution people are coming up with now is using AI for code reviews and I have to ask "why involve Git at all then?". If AI is writing the code, testing the code, reviewing the code, and merging the code, then it seems to me that we can just remove these steps and simply P…

Post by awkward » Mon, Apr 06, 2026, 8:56 PM UTC

semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.