Even having one instance running should have been immediate whole of NASA five fire alarm type of situation.
Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
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#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
Laptops have built-in battery backup lasting hours.
Are you suggesting that’s the reason they use them? They use laptops because desktops are too big. The laptops aren’t there as some sort of a contingency for a power loss. They’re there to do their research work. You know, how scientists on earth use laptops, and or desktops.
How do you know that? Desktop form factors are much more flexible, making them effectively smaller. They don't need a case - you can disassemble them, build them into cabinets and consoles; you can reduce their volume to a keyboard (or less).
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#273Even having one instance running should have been immediate whole of NASA five fire alarm type of situation.
I mean, it's even crazier that they are using Windows.
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#274Even having one instance running should have been immediate whole of NASA five fire alarm type of situation.
It's crazy to me that even NASA fell for the Exchange Online scam.
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#275Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…
What are they emailing? I'd guess that all of the telemetry data, visual data,etc is getting sent to mission control via radio link. What's the outlook email even for?
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#276https://www.businessinsider.com/artemis-astronauts-microsoft...
> After Wiseman flagged the issue, Mission Control said it could remotely access his system with permission.
> Soon after, a member of Mission Control said, "We wanted to let Reid know we are done remoting into his PCD 1." They added that the issue had been resolved and that the system would appear offline, as "expected."
> The personal computing device, or PCD, is how the crew accesses the internet during the flight and tracks its timeline, NASA said on the livestream. The device used on the mission is the MS Surface Pro, per an Artemis II factsheet.
The factsheet:
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230017638/downloads/13...
> Used for PFCs (private family conference), PMCs (private medical communication/conference), office apps, DSLR imagery storage, viewing recorded stills/videos on camera controllers
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#277Even having one instance running should have been immediate whole of NASA five fire alarm type of situation.
It was an astronaut's personal computing device (PCD)
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you suggesting that’s the reason they use them? They use laptops because desktops are too big. The laptops aren’t there as some sort of a contingency for a power loss. They’re there to do their research work. You know, how scientists on earth use laptops, and or desktops.
How do you know that? Desktop form factors are much more flexible, making them effectively smaller. They don't need a case - you can disassemble them, build them into cabinets and consoles; you can reduce their volume to a keyboard (or less).
They’re not looking for a science fair project, it’s a production piece of IT equipment.
Adding a bunch of bespoke equipment is an unnecessary risk when a well understood off the shelf product fits the bill. It’s just office equipment for doing basic computer tasks. A laptop is appropriate.
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#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you know that? Desktop form factors are much more flexible, making them effectively smaller. They don't need a case - you can disassemble them, build them into cabinets and consoles; you can reduce their volume to a keyboard (or less).
They’re not looking for a science fair project, it’s a production piece of IT equipment. Adding a bunch of bespoke equipment is an unnecessary risk when a well understood off the shelf product fits the bill. It’s just office equipment for doing basic computer tasks. A laptop is appropriate.
Much production IT equipment in industrial and many other settings is what I described. It's a mature, commonplace form factor. It's in cars (without keyboards), control rooms, server racks ...
That said, I don't know why they use laptops, and it doesn't look like you do either.
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#280This talk about off-the-shelf hardware in space makes me wonder, given the clear line of sight, if it would be possible to detect their Wi-Fi access points' beacons from Earth. I'm not a "radio guy" and don't know if this would be impossible, simply on the basis of physics, due to the presumably low radiated power from the APs and the limitations of the size of typical antennas on the ground. (Obviously it's possible…
WiFi, no, but if you've got a ham radio license, then you can reach them.