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The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by Muromec »

cwillu wrote: post #225
Muromec wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Secrecy of correspondence still has exceptions. That's what is always lost in these discussions -- every right of every person is not absolute. Just because you have a right to personal property, doesn't mean you don't have to pay taxes or store nuclear material in your basement. That's the hard part. But end to end encryption with forward secrecy at no cost to user makes your right to private communication absolute…

The ends still have the decryption keys, so the result is the same as with a physical letter: you have to acquire the physical object holding the key material.

The result is not the same as a physical letter, as you can intercept those covertly (which is resource constrained)

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Post by verisimi »

3836293648 wrote: post #266
weakened_malloc wrote: post #233

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True but it's a step removed. The MEPs are directly voted in whilst the EC are not, they're "voted in" on account of "voted in" people assigning them to the EC. I mean nobody argues that the FED governor is voted in, right? In reality a lot of people argue that they're unelected and yet making decisions that affect everyone.

This in standard in europe. Most places don't vote for their PM or President either, they're just the leader of the largest party in parliament and chosen by parliament

Oh, if unelected officials is the standard, that's fine then. Move along.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by microtonal »

rolandog wrote: post #71
rvz wrote: post #59

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Thank you for telling them. Governments do not care about anyone.

In theory, governments are made up of citizens. In practice, once the citizens are corrupted into corporate shills, they become politicians. They have traded their humanity for business class seats and dining at restaurants that cater to those whose entire personality is talking about their investment portfolio.

Oh, please, stop this tired ‘victim of corrupt bureaucrats‘ framing.

People have real choice in EP elections. There are parties that will always stand up for citizens’ rights. If they had enough seats, they could have voted this item off the agenda.

Yet, people continue to choose the same conservatives and radical right over and over again, because they are enraged about immigrants and identity politics. Blame the voters.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by verisimi »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #219
CGamesPlay wrote: post #199

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I am always curious when I see these kinds of movement. It seems abundantly clear that the options on any vote in any legislature for a proposed bill are always “yes” and “ask me later”. So when I see things like Fight Chat Control, it feels like the call is “we must tell our legislators to press the ask later button!” Why? Why has your approach not been toward passing active legislation that protects these rights go…

Also curious, as much as the American amendments are problematic, they do at lease create a hard position on things. We are devolving into a space where I’m genuinely scared that the future will become entirely controlled by big money, and it will be too late to change it.

The future you fear is already here, sorry.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by verisimi »

az09mugen wrote: post #250
x775 wrote: post #66

I am the creator of Fight Chat Control. Thank you for sharing. It is unfortunately, once again, needed. The recent events have been rather dumbfounding. On March 11, the Parliament surprisingly voted to replace blanket mass surveillance with targeted monitoring of suspects following judicial involvement [0]. As Council refused to compromise, the trilogue negotiations were set to fail, thus allowing the Commission's c…

Thanks for your work. Just how is it possible for non-EU lobby to make vote a law in EU, and push for it ?

Money.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by vasco »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #224
CGamesPlay wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am always curious when I see these kinds of movement. It seems abundantly clear that the options on any vote in any legislature for a proposed bill are always “yes” and “ask me later”. So when I see things like Fight Chat Control, it feels like the call is “we must tell our legislators to press the ask later button!” Why? Why has your approach not been toward passing active legislation that protects these rights go…

Because we can barely stop new legislation we don't like, let alone pass new ones we do. You're out-monied by lobbyists at all levels. Maybe a movement could match a lobbyist in terms of money. I hope so.

> Maybe a movement could match a lobbyist in terms of money. I hope so.

That's just more lobbying. Politics needs less money involved, not more.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by AbanoubRodolf »

Muromec wrote: post #187
drnick1 wrote: post #156

> The "Chat Control" proposal would legalise scanning of all private digital communications, including encrypted messages and photos. How would this be enforced in practice? In other words, what would prevent E.U. users from using encrypted services outside of the jurisdiction of the E.U., to "illegally" encrypt their hard drives or to run their own private encrypted comms servers?

The same way you can't send money to the best Korea and watch porn on youtube. There is a long chain of actions that ends with you having e2e on your phone (or what not). At the starts of it there is your physical body living in jurisdiction and transacting with (mostly) other people being somewhat present in the same jurisdiction using government-captured money. There are multiply choke points, controlling which wil…

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