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Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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This very war being one?

This very war that began with Iranian agents invading Israel, taking hostages, beheading people, raping women, murdering the elderly in their homes? By what conceivable measure do you think Israel started it?

You are extremely confused. Gaza is not Iran.

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You really don't know about Contra? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras It was a really massive thing. or the Mujahiddeen. Oh look, the list is so long there's an entire article about it, fun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponso... So tell me, if Israel is justified in invading Iran due to alleged proxies of Iran attacking them, would you agree that all these countries should invade the Uni…

Alright, help me out on this. The Contras were anti-Marxist central American revolutionaries, yes? The Marxists overthrew the president of Nicaragua, and the US supported them, along with other nations. Israel is mentioned as being an ally, but is not mentioned in any other capacity in the article. The US was funding them with arms sold to Iran, in the hope that Iran would pressure Hezbollah to release American hosta…

Yeah "poor discipline" /s. It was well known what the Contras were engaging in. And they are far from the only terrorist group the USA has actively sponsored. I do not think Israel is involved in this. These were examples of America funding and supporting terrorism all over the world. So if you say that Iran deserved to be invaded despite not having physically attacked anyone else but due to supposed proxy agents activities, then what should countries do to the USA who has funded much larger and worse terrorist networks?

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Alright, help me out on this. The Contras were anti-Marxist central American revolutionaries, yes? The Marxists overthrew the president of Nicaragua, and the US supported them, along with other nations. Israel is mentioned as being an ally, but is not mentioned in any other capacity in the article. The US was funding them with arms sold to Iran, in the hope that Iran would pressure Hezbollah to release American hosta…

Yeah "poor discipline" /s. It was well known what the Contras were engaging in. And they are far from the only terrorist group the USA has actively sponsored. I do not think Israel is involved in this. These were examples of America funding and supporting terrorism all over the world. So if you say that Iran deserved to be invaded despite not having physically attacked anyone else but due to supposed proxy agents act…

Was the intention of the United States, when funding the Contras, specifically to murder people? Did the United States publicly support and legitimise murder, rape, and hostages as a political tactic?

Serious question. I don't see any evidence they did.

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#274

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This very war that began with Iranian agents invading Israel, taking hostages, beheading people, raping women, murdering the elderly in their homes? By what conceivable measure do you think Israel started it?

You are extremely confused. Gaza is not Iran.

The Gazans are armed by Iran. Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for Palestine Liberation, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the Popular Resistance Committee, the Mujahideen Brigades, and the Islamic Republic all claim this.

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#275

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On the one hand, I do know where you're coming from, on the other ... White European culture [..] including [..] Australia, Canada, South Africa and Zimbabwe before they turned to shit. Freedom of expression, not executing gays or hunting them for sport; the end of slavery, Congrats, you've named places that in my lifetime have had effective slavery (stolen generations, imposed domestic servitude) and the freedom to…

I’m from Adelaide, so I’m well aware of the gay bashing and “suicides” that happened in Australia. But as you put it: had We’re not still doing those things, are we? And if they do happen we’re going we’re not turning a blind eye to them, are we?

Up thread you were metaphorically salivating over times past:

  White European culture, and including the USA, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, South Africa and Zimbabwe before they turned to shit.
and positively proud of

   I’m white, and I’m proud of what my ancestors have accomplished.
So, it's not about what we have come to _now_, it's the bald fact that you're seemingly onboard with times past:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coniston_massacre

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinjarra_massacre

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid

etc.

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> How nice it must be to be able to just dismiss these things. I don't know anyone in the US in real life who is happy with the current situation, including people who voted for Trump. The cheer leaders are only visible online. The people who voted for Harris are saying "we told you so," and the others are saying "he conned us."

There are petty peevish folks too, to quote myself lately October 2025 "I believe Trumps gutting of institutions of learning, culture, democracy, law is punishment for the Branch Covidians. I believe this punishment must continue for some time until the lesson is learned about abuse of power" Should we reconcile this great nation, not balkanize, not be in an antebellum period, not be a Weimar republic, and walk back…

"Branch Covidians" is just buying into more Trumpist reality-rejecting nonsense. A president is supposed to lead us all through a crisis, not turn it into a needlessly divisive issue as if he doesn't know how to do anything but campaign.

Less than half the states had stay at home orders with the force of law ("lockdowns"). The states with the most authoritarian overreactions were red states full of social-media-addled nutters rebelling against reality - when citizens actively work to help spread a pandemic, is it any wonder that the bureaucrats respond even stronger in the only way they know how?

What reconciliation actually requires is for the maggots to take some responsibility and realize this is exactly where reactionary media has been leading them by the nose for the past four decades - destruction of the Constitutionally-limited government in favor of rule by unaccountable corporations. Signed, a libertarian who actually believes in those lofty ideals you're fallaciously invoking.

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> How nice it must be to be able to just dismiss these things. I don't know anyone in the US in real life who is happy with the current situation, including people who voted for Trump. The cheer leaders are only visible online. The people who voted for Harris are saying "we told you so," and the others are saying "he conned us."

I don't understand the "he conned us" stance. He was literally saying all these things before getting elected. He wasn't being coy about it, we all knew it would be terrible, and here we are. What was the con exactly? If there's one thing you can't accuse Trump of, it's ever masking how utterly nonsensical he is.

Grump said all of these things before getting elected, but he also said their exact opposites as well. That he can say blatant lies while having a "charisma" such that people hear what they want to hear is exactly how a con man operates. Hence, they were conned.

However, the responsibility still arises as half of their fellow citizens were telling them that they were being conned. But rather than listening to the critics they actively remained ignorant while gloating about "liberal tears" and so on.

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#278

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Yeah "poor discipline" /s. It was well known what the Contras were engaging in. And they are far from the only terrorist group the USA has actively sponsored. I do not think Israel is involved in this. These were examples of America funding and supporting terrorism all over the world. So if you say that Iran deserved to be invaded despite not having physically attacked anyone else but due to supposed proxy agents act…

Was the intention of the United States, when funding the Contras, specifically to murder people? Did the United States publicly support and legitimise murder, rape, and hostages as a political tactic? Serious question. I don't see any evidence they did.

Would you be asking about intent if the end result of some "well intentioned" program was the murder of thousands of jews and terrorism all over Israel? Do you ask about intent for example when speaking of the deaths caused by well intentioned Soviet communism?

And I have given a much longer list than just the contras, where you can't even hide behind "but the origins were noble", they supported already terroristic entities.

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You are extremely confused. Gaza is not Iran.

The Gazans are armed by Iran. Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for Palestine Liberation, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the Popular Resistance Committee, the Mujahideen Brigades, and the Islamic Republic all claim this.

Then likewise why shouldn't dozens of countries across the world launch invasions against the USA due to the USA sponsoring countless terroristic proxies around the world. If "Iran" did oct 7th then America did 9/11, America did the contras massacres, America did Saddam Hussein chemical attacks.

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France has an ICBM system with a range of 10000 km. How do you explain it? Were they developing weapons to target the USA?

Well, it was more to target Soviet satellites in Latin America which might, in a foreseeable scenario, host Soviet missiles (also, to hit the Soviet Far East, which would be even more likely to host Soviet missiles.) But it also wasn't not to have the capacity to target the US; if France implicitly trusted the US they wouldn't have opted out of the NATO unified military command for 43 years as well as developing thei…

I gave the example to show dotancohens absolutely ridiculous insinuation. All militaries always want to expand their capabilities. To say it somehow means Iran wants to target Europe is absolutely ridiculous.
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