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Some things just take time
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Re: Some things just take time
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the Quality is really high, and I'm happy with the results. >toss all 5 of my SDK files into the LLM, paste in the JSON server interaction, describe the bug, and ask it to help me figure it out. I wonder if this "quality" code wouldn't have that many bugs to dive into if it was more carefully considered and produced up front? This harkens back to a study in 2024 were senior devs were actually less productive with L…
I’m sure you’re right. I’m actually a terrible programmer. This is just how I compensate. Of course, you are more than welcome to visit my portfolio (easily found from my HN profile), and make fun of it.
I don't mean to belittle your expertise. You likely have triple my experience in tech.
Its just more that we should understand that there's no free lunch.even pre-Ai, codegen has the offset of creating nigh unmaintainable code, and making proper iteration (changing the codegen itself) take longer. But ideally, you gain long term speed at the cost of massive tech debt.
This ultimately operates as faster codegen, wrapped in a black box. If shipping is all that matters, then it is what it is. But we should understand the sacrifices for that.
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Re: Some things just take time
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m sure you’re right. I’m actually a terrible programmer. This is just how I compensate. Of course, you are more than welcome to visit my portfolio (easily found from my HN profile), and make fun of it.
I don't mean to belittle your expertise. You likely have triple my experience in tech. Its just more that we should understand that there's no free lunch.even pre-Ai, codegen has the offset of creating nigh unmaintainable code, and making proper iteration (changing the codegen itself) take longer. But ideally, you gain long term speed at the cost of massive tech debt. This ultimately operates as faster codegen, wrapp…
That's one of the advantages of doing it iteratively, and in an arena that I already know well (Swift native application development). I'm able to evaluate each step, and make decisions (and adjustments, but I'm usually better off, asking for another try).
I am not yet comfortable with just asking an agent to "write me a Facebook." That seems to be what all the kids are into, these days, but I am not convinced the tech has reached these lofty expectations.
I just use it as I would, a coding partner, who knows a lot, is a bit obsessive, and does things quickly. I've worked with some aspies, in my day, that actually come very close. Working with them, has helped me to work with an LLM, better.
I have been around, long enough, to have seen several "watershed" developments in software technology. Each one, was accompanied by wailing, rending of clothes, and gnashing of teeth; yet, here we are. We have not just survived. We have thrived.
Re: Some things just take time
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I decided if I was going to evaluate it fairly though, I would need to try a paid product. Okay. Get me a job and I'll pay for any model of your choosing. Until then, finances are very slim.
> Get me a job Heh, I'm a college student, so I can't help with that... You could also try Gemini 3 pro with Gemini's CLI which is free, though it's not as good at using tools. But, it sounds like you're not interested, which is fine! Just please don't continue to argue with finer points if you're not interested. I've done my best to engage with your points, but I get the sense that it doesn't matter what I say. I am…
I should note that I'm not the same person that you were talking to you the chain. So I hope we're not mixing conversations and people. I don't think I've said that much in this chain, so I can't answer much.
But sure:
>why do you feel so strongly about LLM products?
Personally, I work in games. So pretty much everything in the discourse of LLMs and Gen AI has been amplified 5x for me. The layoffs, the gamers' reaction to stuff utilizing AI, the impact on hardware prices, the politics, etc.
Theres a war of consumers and executives, and I'm trapped in the middle taking heat from both. It's tiring and it's clear who to blame for all of this. I want all of this to pop so the true innovation can rise out, instead of all the gold rush going on right now.
Also,game code is very performance sensitive. It's not like a website or app where I can just "add 5 seconds to a load time" unless I'm working on a simple 2D game, nor throw more hardware to improve performance. Even if LLMs could code up the game, I'd spend more time optimizing what it makes than it saved. It simply doesn't help for the kind of software I work with.
Re: Some things just take time
#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Get me a job Heh, I'm a college student, so I can't help with that... You could also try Gemini 3 pro with Gemini's CLI which is free, though it's not as good at using tools. But, it sounds like you're not interested, which is fine! Just please don't continue to argue with finer points if you're not interested. I've done my best to engage with your points, but I get the sense that it doesn't matter what I say. I am…
I should note that I'm not the same person that you were talking to you the chain. So I hope we're not mixing conversations and people. I don't think I've said that much in this chain, so I can't answer much. But sure: >why do you feel so strongly about LLM products? Personally, I work in games. So pretty much everything in the discourse of LLMs and Gen AI has been amplified 5x for me. The layoffs, the gamers' reacti…
Crap, you're right. I swear, tiny usernames is both a boon and a curse...
> Personally, I work in games. So pretty much everything in the discourse of LLMs and Gen AI has been amplified 5x for me. The layoffs, the gamers' reaction to stuff utilizing AI, the impact on hardware prices, the politics, etc.
> Theres a war of consumers and executives, and I'm trapped in the middle taking heat from both. It's tiring and it's clear who to blame for all of this. I want all of this to pop so the true innovation can rise out, instead of all the gold rush going on right now.
That makes a lot of sense. I've been pretty fed up with the hyperbole and sliminess, and I can't imagine how difficult it is to be squeezed between angry gamers and naive and dense executives.
When you say "true innovation", is that in terms of non-AI innovation, or non-slimy AI innovation? I guess I personally still believe that LLMs are useful, but only as another tool amongst many others.
I'm also a big believer in human centered UX design, and it's kinda sad that the dominant experience is all textual.
> Also,game code is very performance sensitive
It does seem like game programming is the last bastion of performance, at least in terms of normal hardware, since the game has to go to the consumer's hardware. The "silver bullet" mentality drives me a little crazy because it clearly doesn't work in all situations.
Anyways, I don't know if this response really has a point, but I wanted to at least acknowledge your experience.
Re: Some things just take time
#277My current project is the culmination 15 years of software development. I started out building a full stack framework like Meteor framework (though I started before Meteor framework was created in 2012 and long before Next.js). Then I ported it to to Node.js because I saw an advantage to having the same language on the frontend and backend. Then I noticed that developers like to mix and match different libraries/modu…
> I've been struggling to sell it ... they will value a one-shotted pretty UI over all these other aspects.
I do not think that it's your competitors' pretty one-shotted UIs that are losing you your leads. FWIW your website:
* Does not explain the benefits nor the feature-set of what your platform offers
* Has a Docs page which seems to be a link to 6 sets of reference APIs (or similar) in disparate Github pages - that's worse than most open source products.
* Uses cute animated characters which does not give off the "we are a serious enterprise and you can rely on us" vibe
* Has a novel pricing scheme ("implements a techno-feudalist pricing model") that requires a 4 paragraph explanation and somehow tries to frame introducing additional uncertainty for potential buyers as a feature (it's a good thing that _my_ pricing tiers could be adjusted by other customers' votes!?)
* Additionally prominently features cryptocurrency in the topnav, which is for many people a yellow or red flag (regardless of what seems to be your good intentions behind it)
Doesn't have any demo apps I can click around in to smoke test the platform's functionality, let alone fiddle with the backend
* Has almost zero information on basic business-y compliance-y things - no info on security, availability, SSO support, etc let alone more hardcore things like compliance standards your platform meets.Re: Some things just take time
#278Sounds familiar, for most of my life I have tried to remove all "friction" from life – applying that engineering mindset to make everything as efficient as possible. Only then I realized that life somehow is about that "friction".
Don't tell me that… OK maybe do
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#279Now that everyones running faster than ever and trying to outrun the competition by slapping more code on than they do you can only brace for the results. I expect these tools will quickly let people to ramp up several orders of magnitude of more complexity and lines of code to any software project. The your 100kloc JS electron app will become a 10m loc JS electron app running on a 500m loc browser runtime. Repeat th…
"Introducing picopad" "introducing nanopad"
Re: Some things just take time
#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Okay, so you're running into the same problem that LLMs are. I can't tell if you are a troll or not, but you can't complain that nobody understands your intentionally vague and obtuse way to describe the problem at hand to pretend you're superior. https://www.publiccontractsscotland.gov.uk/NoticeDownload/Do... You have to rename the file ending to PDF. It's probably the wrong spec, because I'm basing this research o…
That is the correct spec. Remember, I've already written something that does this. I'm trying to understand how and why an LLM would help. Which part of the job is the LLM supposed to do?
All of it: https://github.com/philpax/gd92-protocol-go-generated
I started the task 56 minutes ago with one prompt, and now I have an implementation I can show you. There's plenty to quibble about - the files splayed over the main directory are quite ugly, and there is no actual test data that we can use on the public internet - but these are all trivially resolvable issues.
I didn't do any additional research for this. I gave it the spec PDF, your instructions upthread, and told it to build a library. You can also consult the transcripts (linked in the README) to see that I have no tricks up my sleeve. I didn't need to decompose the task in any meaningful way: the only input I provided was on minor matters of taste.