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Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by jerf »

Reacting to the story itself, I've been on the same thought line but came to the opposite conclusion. Precisely because the generation of the code is unreliable, one of the metrics we will be using in the future to determine the value of the code is precisely how much it has been tested against the real world. Real-world tested code will always be more valuable than what has just been instantiated by an AI, and that extends indefinitely into the future because no AI will ever be able to completely deal with integrating with all the other AI-generated code in the world on the first try. That is, as AIs get better at generating code, we will inevitably generate more code with them, and then later code must deal with that increased amount of code. So the AIs can never "catch up" with code complexity because the problem gets worse the better they get.

This story is itself the explanation of why we're not going to go this route at scale. It'll happen in isolated places for the indefinite future. But farmers are going to buy systems, generated by AIs or not, that have been field tested, and will be no more interested in calling new untested code into being for their own personal use on their own personal farm than they are today.

The limiting factor for future code won't be how much AI firepower someone has to bring to bear on a problem but how much "real world" there is to test the code against, because there is only going to be so much "real world" to go around.

(Expanded on: https://jerf.org/iri/post/2026/what_value_code_in_ai_era/ ).

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by withinboredom »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #231
Aditya_Garg wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve said this many times before AI is just a tool If you used a fancy auto bake cake machine instead of an oven, you still get to claim that you made the cake. 100 years ago someone would be making the claim that using an oven to make cakes “doesn’t count” All AI did was raise the bar It’s quite clear here that the author spent a lot of time on this so he absolutely gets credit as the author

I think there's a distinction. Imagine if you had an auto cake making machine that decides on its own the best time to make cake. It adds the ingredients, stirs, turns the oven on, and leaves the finished cake on the counter for you. People start opening bakeries consisting entirely of cakes baked by the automatic machines. The owners of these machines have no idea whether the cakes have a bit too much flour or were…

Replace "oven" with a dish washer or a washing machine for your clothes. Those things do exactly all of this. Yet we still complain about washing clothes and doing the dishes, even though it is far less effort than anything our parents did, or their parents before them.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by u_fucking_dork »

fao_ wrote: post #239
chii wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> want to know the writer of a piece but you dodged the question i asked - why can't a piece stand on the contents, rather than its pedigree? Would you care if a writer used a pen name? Does that in any way diminish their works? What about the unknown editors that contributed?

If someone couldn't be bothered to write it, I certainly can't be bothered to read it. I did not bother to read the article involved because the continual piss stain on the images, the website itself, and a few key phrases let me on to the fact that it was all generated. When you interact with art, you do so to interact with the author and the point they want to make. Writing is something where a skilled writer will…

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Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by sebzim4500 »

taneq wrote: post #186
CamperBob2 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I think two sane things. 1) It’s good in the long run that they didn’t prevail at that time. 2) They did actually, in fact, have a point .

I mean obviously they had a point? No one wants to lose their job.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by ffsm8 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #240
chii wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> want to know the writer of a piece but you dodged the question i asked - why can't a piece stand on the contents, rather than its pedigree? Would you care if a writer used a pen name? Does that in any way diminish their works? What about the unknown editors that contributed?

Because you need to do some pre-filtering on where to focus your attention, and you want to make sure the author put some thought into the article without having to analyze it. Due to LLMs making the cost of publishing “thoughts” extremely low, there’s now an over-supply of content that looks decent on the surface, but in reality the author has probably spent less time on than the reader.

Are we ready so far down I to the LLM denial mindset that we consider an author spending multiple months crafting this to be "worthless" and less investment then your casual reading?

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by wbl »

petcat wrote: post #267
hmokiguess wrote: post #250

Folks labeling "AI generated" might be jumping the gun considering OP described his process took him the last couple months and then some for this project. Call it what you want, but I think this sits better with "AI assisted" and, perhaps, really well supervised full of the human intent behind of it. Then again, labels are strange, we call algorithmic and synthesizer assisted music "electronic" music these days and…

> we still praise musicians who take the time through endless Moog / Ableton fine-tuning sessions to find the perfect loop patterns for their craft. There are still plenty of purists that will not consider this a "craft". But it's always been that way. The electric guitar itself was a controversial music transition. Bob Dylan was famously criticized heavily for going electric. But that was a long time ago, and people…

Dylan going electric was not about instrument choices. It was about abandoning the radical folk music tradition that Seeger, Guthrie, etc. had revived.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by npilk »

stingraycharles wrote: post #240
chii wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> want to know the writer of a piece but you dodged the question i asked - why can't a piece stand on the contents, rather than its pedigree? Would you care if a writer used a pen name? Does that in any way diminish their works? What about the unknown editors that contributed?

Because you need to do some pre-filtering on where to focus your attention, and you want to make sure the author put some thought into the article without having to analyze it. Due to LLMs making the cost of publishing “thoughts” extremely low, there’s now an over-supply of content that looks decent on the surface, but in reality the author has probably spent less time on than the reader.

Don't we already have these filters in place? I only saw this because it was highly-upvoted on HN, for example - I don't read every new submission. I also read things sent by friends and family, shared by curators I trust, etc.

Of course these systems may eventually break down, but for now they seem to work.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by devnotes77 »

donatj wrote: post #61

I'm trying to sort out my own emotions on this. I did not realize this was AI generated while reading it until I came to the comments here... And I feel genuinely had? Like "oh wow, you got me"... I don't like this feeling. It's certainly the longest thing (I know about) I've taken the time to read that was AI generated. The writing struck me as genuinely good, like something out of The New Yorker. I found the story…

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Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by wrl »

hmokiguess wrote: post #250

Folks labeling "AI generated" might be jumping the gun considering OP described his process took him the last couple months and then some for this project. Call it what you want, but I think this sits better with "AI assisted" and, perhaps, really well supervised full of the human intent behind of it. Then again, labels are strange, we call algorithmic and synthesizer assisted music "electronic" music these days and…

How about "AI ghostwritten"? That's a much closer parallel, and some commercially successful musicians similarly are "ghost produced".
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