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Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Same as Texans asking where Houston Street is in NYC.

But Houston Street is older than Sam Houston, and was always pronounced that way.

My Scottish mate with the surname Houston would side with the Texans, on this one.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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I've never understood the "efficiency / ROI" argument. What is the "Investment"? What's the time delta between using the shift key and not using the shift key? Does it even add up to one second per year? What's the accumulated time loss from spelling "grammar" properly? If the delta is simply "cognitive load" then we're back to the theory I already posted.

I'm not certain about shift deltas, but one typically can type faster at the cost of increased errors. I type quite a bit, so even small percentage decreases in total time spent typing is significant. Humins ar rpretty gdood att standing under even very mxed and grbled txt.

The price is often paid by their subordinates, and ultimately the business. I remember working under a pretty inarticulate "senior leader", and he'd send these 3-word barely understandable E-mails to his directs asking them to do something. There would be a frantic scramble of meetings and discussions trying to understand what it is he actually wanted us to do, with a lot of guesswork and arguing. Nobody wanted to tell the guy he was as understandable as a pigeon, so we usually just guessed. Sometimes guessing very wrong and wasting an enormous amount of resources.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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For the same reason you wouldn't write POSIX compliant code in a project that doesn't require it. There is no gain. You are absolutely braindead if you think wasting your time looking up the correct grammar is helpful to anyone. Like literal fucking completely braindead. A walking ghost

While you sit in homeostasis ruminating on the consequences of a misplaced comma someone else snatched up your deal

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_... Ignorance of why something exists is not a good enough reason to destroy it.

Yes... though I think Chesterton's fence definitely belongs in the "technically correct advice that actually does more harm than good" bucket, like "premature optimisation", "if it works don't fix it", the Unix philosophy and so on. This doesn't apply to capitalisation, but generally especially in computing if there's something that looks useless you should remove it. If it breaks the fault lies with whomever left so…

It's not technically correct, it's blatant historicism. There has to be a physical cause for the fence. If whoever put up the fence decided that it wasn't important to list the cause then their fence was ill-conceived from the start.

In some cases the fact that an object survived for so long might make it unique and worth study, but a million little (usually unenforced) regulations left around like so much garbage should be swept up.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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post #273

For the same reason you wouldn't write POSIX compliant code in a project that doesn't require it. There is no gain. You are absolutely braindead if you think wasting your time looking up the correct grammar is helpful to anyone. Like literal fucking completely braindead. A walking ghost While you sit in homeostasis ruminating on the consequences of a misplaced comma someone else snatched up your deal

> looking up the correct grammar

Why on earth would one have the need to look up grammar?

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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I see this at my $megagorp job. The top brass don't do that much written communication, but when they do they are absolutely shooting from the hip. It's not as bad as Epstein but it's a strong "I've already started reading the next email while I'm typing this one" vibes. FWIW I don't have a problem with it at all. As the article mentioned there's an aspect of power politics (I'm important enough not to have to worry…

> capitalisation is just unimportant Capitalization is the difference between: - helping your friend Jack off a horse, and - helping your friend jack off a horse. (Not original, but memorable!)

Natural languages have inherent ambiguity. That includes your grammar with capitalization, any kind of standard english grammar of which there are dozens

Which person does Jack refer to? What if you have 2 friends named Jack? Does "horse" refer to a member of a class of animal or something else? Sorry but your examples are full of indecipherable nonsense. But I guess if you just pretend that everything you write is well understood then there is no problem.

Capitalization slightly narrows a search space that is already narrow, since that is it's only functional use it should only be used when appropriate. If every rule was applied at every instance your writing would both become indecipherable and you'd subtly change your intended meaning. Better to be misunderstood by some than to water down your message and add class/prestige/formality/distance all of which are inappropriate in most writing.

I guess your teacher gave you that example, but you ABSOLUTELY FAILED to understand the meaning of their lesson.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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I don't really see that as the same thing as what the article was pointing out. Those are shibboleths that only an insider would know. You have to get the pronunciation of Cholmondeley or Couch "right" to pass for an insider. The random misspellings, missing spaces, sloppy grammar, etc in the examples in the article seem different to me. Misspelling "en route" as "enriewu" doesn't show, "look, I know the secret count…

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We’ve known since Socrates that writing instead of speaking eroded thinking. We seriously need to stop putting packaging, especially writing, on a pedestal. Instead we should put what little lifetime we have in sum towards focusing on what’s actually important: the ideas and concepts themselves.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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As others have said, my money is on the banal. They're just morons. Successful morons, but morons non the less.

The fact that neither you or I are part of the global elite isn't entirely due to a lack of merit, but a lack of luck and, quite possibly, a lack of psychopathy.

Just the other day, or so I assume, one of them ran out of toilet paper and awkwardly shuffled towards a solution. We're all just apes.

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