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How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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We're using cloth diapers for our daughter (6m). She's still exclusively breastfed so no solid poops but so far I estimate we've saved over $100/mo by this decision. The story may change when she starts on solids but I recommend everyone to try out cloth diapers, just make sure you have a routine and system in place to make it less overwhelming (we have two diaper pails next to the changing table, one for disposable…

What's the unit cost of a nappy in your area? Here it's like €0.05 each, so monthly maybe €50 max incl wipes. I'll have to actually measure how much we use in a day though.

I was surprised by the price as well. We go through about 4-5 packs of disposable diapers per month for our 6mo, fewer when the kid was younger (more diapers per pack). Each pack costs $8 for the fancy kind[1] which we get, so that's just around $40 a month currently. This includes 25% VAT.

However there's a two-for-one at my local stores, so in reality we pay more like $20.

[1]: https://www.libero.com/product/touch-open-diaper/touch-4-ope...

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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Cloth diapers are good. We used them for our last kid with a diaper service and are going to do it again washing them ourselves with our next who is due at the end of the month. Regular diapers are useful to have either way. But cloth diapers are obviously much better for the environment and if they're an option for you, you should consider them. Not a hard concept, not worth a big discussion.

What is a diaper service?

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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I feel like the time demands of modern life are the main culprit here. Today families mostly need two working parents, which means nobody to take care of the baby full-time. If you have someone taking care of them full-time, toilet training early is usually easy and a net time save. But if you can't ever invest that time because of the time version of the poverty trap, you are in diapers until the kids are developed…

I just want to second this; a ton of parents I know had kids ready to do it earlier but waited until a major holiday/break when everyone would be home anyway to knock it out.

Related, the longer you wait to do it, the faster they seem to catch on. We waited until each of our kids’ third birthday to potty train and knocked it out in a weekend, no major subsequent accidents.

A lot of parents will tell you they’ve potty trained their kids and also tell you their two-year-old wets the bed evey other week.

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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I did the math meticulously when I had my first kid years ago, comparing store brand diapers vs cloth. Once you factor in the up front cost of the cloth diapers plus the cost of water and energy and detergent running the wash, the costs are virtually identical. The math looks better for cloth if you use them for years or multiple kids, but that's not super hygienic. That's not even factoring in time and convenience.…

> but that's not super hygienic.

You're willing to wash and re-use for one kid but not then to let the next one re-use? So does that mean the wash doesn't get the diaper clean? And if that's true, why re-use them at all for anyone?

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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post #228

We're using cloth diapers for our daughter (6m). She's still exclusively breastfed so no solid poops but so far I estimate we've saved over $100/mo by this decision. The story may change when she starts on solids but I recommend everyone to try out cloth diapers, just make sure you have a routine and system in place to make it less overwhelming (we have two diaper pails next to the changing table, one for disposable…

What's the unit cost of a nappy in your area? Here it's like €0.05 each, so monthly maybe €50 max incl wipes. I'll have to actually measure how much we use in a day though.

Here at Costco (where you can get stuff in bulk and items are usually cheaper per unit) it's about $0.20 per nappy which is about €0.18 if I'm doing my conversions correctly.

We go through maybe 5-6 a day for our 6 month old. The number I was comparing was probably when she was newborn and going through 10+ diapers a day and requiring multiple diapers per change because she'd pee or poo on her new diaper while changing her. We've been using cloth diapers since she was 1 month old.

We do keep some disposables on hand when traveling and just in case we forgot to do laundry or whatever, but I think we've maybe just used 3 or 4 in the past 5 months.

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> let him go diaperless on the floors (thankfully wooden).. and he trained in a couple days. This terrifies me! We have carpets. Some tile, but also some carpets. I guess it's not too different from when the cats have an "accident" though, just bigger messes.

Just get a carpet washer. Your kids will make a mess on the carpet sooner or later. Regardless of your potty training regime.

That sounds like a good investment.

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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post #209

A lot of people in this discussion seem to compare the price of single-use nappies to that of buying new cloth nappies and then giving them to the landfill once done with one child. I can strongly recommend buying them second hand and then reselling them. They become effectively free at that point. (I get it to come out to $1.5 per week, including the iost of running laundry and the opportunity costs of tying up the…

> and the opportunity costs of tying up the capital in nappies Respectfully - chill.

I have an HP 12c, so doing compounding maths is about the same level of chill as not doing it.

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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We used reusable nappies for our daughter and introduced the potty very early. The reduction in waste is many times larger than you expect particularly with a very young child ( we started with disposable, but switched in the first few months. Here’s some notes:

- Put your child on the potty during changes, and first thing in the morning. Build’s association and encourages bladder control. Do this long before trying to get them out of nappies.

- Reusable wipes are also a massive win. We have face wipes and bum wipes, basically just soft cotton. Bit of water under a tap and your good.

- Our biggest hurdle for moving away from nappies was nursery, as they wouldn’t consistently put a younger toddler on a potty.

- Introducing a potty earlier means less poopy nappies, turns out even a toddler dislikes pooping their pants.

- Expect a stupid amount of laundry, and the nappies to leak a bit ( so more laundry ). You also can’t use a drier with them as it damages the water proofing layer.

- Travelling is harder… Used nappies should be cleaned within 3 days, so expect to take dirty nappies away with you for washing plus clean nappies/boosters/cloths/bags.

- It’s easy to buy new/almost new/good condition second hand. Either people want to do it but don’t get on with it, or never start, or potty trained. Means a significant reduction in cost. But expect ones that have been used less to be more water proof and Velcro to work better etc.

- Our daughter loved playing with the clean ones, putting them on toys, using cloths etc. Probably helps they have cool designs on the outside. I expect a disposable wouldn’t work well after it had been played with.

- If you need to use disposables while you’re away etc the chemicals can cause rashes after your child has adjusted to their absence.

- When they start weaning you have to “remove the solids” before washing. Yes this is unpleasant, but more often than not is just upending it over toilet. You get used to it. Same as nappy changes in general and washing nappies.

- When we did swap to pants we didn’t do anything special. Just stop nappies, ensure you have a potty nearby, and deal with it for a few days. It’s uncomfortable for them and they learn fast. Expect a bit of frustration and wanting the old routine back.

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