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Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by hnra »

mholm wrote: post #247
2III7 wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- thermal throttling under sustained heavy load, though apparently there is the possibility to add thermal pads to get rid of throttling, probably at the expense of comfort - no Linux support Otherwise I agree, it is a wonderful machine. I'd replace my crappy thinkpad if I could. My 2014 Air is still going strong for light web browsing and terminal use.

> thermal throttling under sustained heavy load This gets mentioned a lot, but I do quite a bit of dev work on my M4 MBA and have never even felt it get warm. Sustained heavy loads are extremely rare with how quick this thing is.

How long are your compile times?

Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by timothyduong »

PaulHoule wrote: post #227
orthoxerox wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only it didn't have to run OSX.

I’ll add that MacOS is crammed with spammy ads for Apple Music and other services I don’t want. To be fair somebody wants Apple Music whereas the Microsoft versions of those things are completely unwanted. Ads and nags in the Windows World are drawn using the same HTML-based technology that has replaced Windows native apps since Windows 8, the ads and nags in MacOS are the 2025 anti-antialiased retreads of the 1999 M…

Just wait til she jumps on a windows 11 device!

But I do agree with you. Thankfully it is minimal relative to windows.

Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by sonofhans »

wisplike wrote: post #263
std_move wrote: post #216

This is the best laptop for the general consumer around $1k. - it has no annoying fans, it is completely silent - a high res display with no PWM flickering and reasonable response times, no burn-in issues, enough brightness for outdoor use - best-in-class hardware, very very efficient, amazing single thread performance, good multi thread, very good GPU - no Microsoft Windows annoyances, ads, bloatware, broken stuff a…

> I wish it was different Amen to that, my keyboard on my m1 air recently failed. I was horrified to find out it is literally riveted to the frame. I got this close to buying a new one. Something annoyed me about this perfectly good laptop being rendered compltely useless and I ended up buying a replacement keyboard, ripping out the old one and shimming this one with paper. Its not perfect but here I am typing from i…

The riveting sounds, as you say, horrifying. Congrats on making it your own again.

It’s still remarkable to me that it’s even possible to do it at all. The amount of tech and miniaturization crammed into that thing — it would be easier for them to rivet, weld, and glue every part, and cheaper. And if the build quality weren’t so high to begin with, it wouldn’t have withstood the repair at all.

A good friend has a Framework, and it’s cool as hell, but incredibly primitive compared with your M1.

Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by boomskats »

caymanjim wrote: post #98
mg wrote: post #14

The one thing that interests me most when it comes to laptops these days is weight. So I jumped right into the tech specs section and looked it up. Since this is the "Air" laptop of the company that is popular for thin and lightweight devices, my hopes were high. But ... The 13 inch version is heavier than a ThinkPad X1 Carbon. Which has a 14 inch screen and can run Linux.

I bought a ThinkPad X1. Had to send it back for repairs three times in the first year, including a complete motherboard replacement, and it died again immediately after the warranty expired. Been a $2800 door stop since then. The case is flimsy plastic that gets beat to crap easily. The trackpad is over-sensitive in all the wrong ways which makes it hard to use as an actual laptop. Plus it's weaker and slower than an…

Not my experience in the slightest, after two decades of personal thinkpads and around 20 issued to my team.

Also if you'd just spent that extra 120 bucks for the 3 year onsite warranty, you'd have a lenovo technician replacing your motherboard at a location of your choice the next working day.

Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by [deleted] »

mholm wrote: post #247
2III7 wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- thermal throttling under sustained heavy load, though apparently there is the possibility to add thermal pads to get rid of throttling, probably at the expense of comfort - no Linux support Otherwise I agree, it is a wonderful machine. I'd replace my crappy thinkpad if I could. My 2014 Air is still going strong for light web browsing and terminal use.

> thermal throttling under sustained heavy load This gets mentioned a lot, but I do quite a bit of dev work on my M4 MBA and have never even felt it get warm. Sustained heavy loads are extremely rare with how quick this thing is.

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Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by matthewkayin »

hnra wrote: post #271
mholm wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> thermal throttling under sustained heavy load This gets mentioned a lot, but I do quite a bit of dev work on my M4 MBA and have never even felt it get warm. Sustained heavy loads are extremely rare with how quick this thing is.

How long are your compile times?

I wouldn't call my personal project "heavy load", but I have a cross-platform C++ project that I am developing on both a Windows gaming PC and a 2020 M1 macbook air.

I use clang to compile on both machines. The M1 mac has noticeably faster compile times.

Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by sonofhans »

Xeoncross wrote: post #74

I'm glad the air now comes standard with 16GB of RAM and 512GB disk space. It's not that the M1 with 8/256GB was slow at all, but even browsing the web gets into 12GB of usage and exhausting the 256GB is fairly easy if you backup your 256GB phone, try to edit a few videos, download enough Gradle/Go/Cargo/Node packages, or install enough 20GB office apps. Any apple silicon with 16GB / 512GB of stage (even the M1 serie…

Can I just lean on my cane for a second, and say that the first machine I connected to a network had 256KB RAM, and I considered myself lucky to have so much. My 150 baud modem downloaded text slower than I could read it.

I know how we got to these large numbers. Shit, I helped build the road. It still blows my brains out.

Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by mjamesaustin »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #121
bearjaws wrote: post #53

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The Air is going to run laps around the X1, in literally every benchmark you can come up with besides "its not open source". I have that same processor in a much bulkier thinkpad and it thermal throttles instantly doing basic office multi-tasking, with the fan running constantly. Also its made out of metal.

The X1 Carbon is getting updated to Panther Lake, and Panther Lake is getting competitive with the M5. > in literally every benchmark you can come up Nope, Panther Lake will win most gaming benchmarks. The M5 will win most others but not by "running laps around" levels.

At what power envelope? Intel chips can compete with M series chips, but usually at way higher power, which means fans running like a jet engine.

Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by et-al »

astrange wrote: post #258
NoLinkToMe wrote: post #11

Not exciting at all, but a nice incremental upgrade. I always enjoy incremental upgrades from Apple as they're usually significant, and 4 years worth of increments add up to big leaps, to the point my 8 year upgrade cycle is usually quite exciting. Though a bit disappointing that it came with a $100 (almost 10%, above inflation) price bump. There's not much point to a spec bump when it's paired with a price bump, and…

M5 is not an incremental upgrade, it has MTE.

What’s MTE? I couldn’t find a reference to this anywhere in the press release or spec comparisons.

Re: MacBook Air with M5

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Post by NineStarPoint »

HanClinto wrote: post #201

Is it weird to anyone else that the M5 keeps the same limitations of the M4, and tops out at 128 GB of RAM? If one wants to serve large-ish LLMs locally, an M3 Mac Studio w/ 512 GB/RAM is still a super compelling option, and I was hoping that the M5's would bump us up to 1TB of unified memory. Don't get me wrong -- seeing them use LMStudio as the benchmark for measuring local LLM inference is super awesome for the lo…

It was the M3 Ultra that had that much RAM capacity, not the Pro or the Max.

It is disappointing they didn't up it to at least 256GB on the laptops, but we'll have to wait for the next iteration of the studio to see if they'll give us 1TB unified memory.

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